Hail, brother Floradon. We are an elemental match :)

In reply to Kuldariel (msg # 27):

Hail and I believe there is another Shin If my memory is anything to be believed.

Greetings Floradon! I have a good feeling we will be a match (literally) made in heaven!

Elyashael would be happy to listen to your tales, if you also listen to his :)

Another Shin?

Has one of our siblings existed.. before?

...tiny cracks appear on the otherwise smooth surface of Kuldariel's form

There's a before?!

Ah I apologize, I forgot to take a breath. For I was excited to find others of my ilk. I more so meant that there was another, who goes by the name of shin.

I do actually want to know how many actions my elemental planes would take.

First off is the 6 elemental lands, and then the borderlands where these realms overlap as they head towards the realm of dreamland. You can Think of it as a 6-way venn diagram where people source their magic from. That's my idea on the basis of magic.

Assuming I'm not stuck for the rest of the game on that I'd then work on primal magic one which does not require a will to access but is granted onto others randomly a cat could gain access to the fire plane and gain access to a fiery armor. While a lucky ant could gain access to the borderland of lightning
This message was last edited by the player at 14:37, Thu 17 June 2021.

I am not sure its a good idea to randomly grant cats magical powers...

Looks sheepishly at Tschup

:P

Oh I know but it will be fun! And gives the means of monsters and magical pets as animals could presumably evolve reliant on magic to become more monstrous and well suited to the lucky magic they started with.

That is a super cool concept! I especially like the idea of borderlands, because I was disappointed by the lack of 'lightning', 'ice', and lots of others as element types! This could be a way to introduce those early, at least as a type of magic if not a fundamental element.

Out of curiosity, what would the borderlands between the six main elements be (I assume lightning is fire plus air)? I assume there will only be six combinations, and not twenty-one of them?

If all us gods and goddesses who seek to create all sorts of stuff eventually join together in a pantheon, that could be very beneficial!

Howdy, all! I'll be playing Shin, the mad scientist god! Expect all of your creations to be weighed, measured, tested, pushed, and pulled by this version of the embodiment of Air, Fire and Metal!

My biggest worry is action cost. I have ideas for 21 and 6 secondary elements.  But yes I was specifically already having lightning be air and fire.

Wood is the one I'm least certain about.

Air+Fire=Lightning
Air+Wood= Aura
Air+Earth= Darkness
Air+Water= Cloud
Air+Metal= Light

Fire+Wood= Smoke
Fire+Earth= Magma
Fire+Water= Acid
Fire+Metal= Plasma

Wood+Earth= Crystal
Wood+Water= Poison
Wood+Metal= Sound

Earth+Water= Ice
Earth+Metal= Magnet


Though really that's up for change depending on other people's thoughts.
This message was last edited by the player at 15:23, Thu 17 June 2021.

Looks hard at Shin

You're not the only tester in these parts! Are *you* my twin?!?!

We are definitely siblings Kul! Shin will be fostering creativity primarily, sometimes violently so keep pushing that feedback loop. Drive creativity through any means necessary > test results > add more variables > repeat!

Also just going to draw attention to update I made to my previous post.

Air+Fire=Lightning
Air+Wood= Aura
Air+Earth= Darkness
Air+Water= Cloud
Air+Metal= Light

Fire+Wood= Smoke
Fire+Earth= Magma
Fire+Water= Acid
Fire+Metal= Plasma

Wood+Earth= Crystal
Wood+Water= Poison
Wood+Metal= Sound

Earth+Water= Ice
Earth+Metal= Magnet

If anyone has a different element they want to switch with one or believe there's a better line-up for these elements let me know. I'm always down to take suggestions.

6 way overlap is void.

There are 6 borderlands with 5

15 borderlands with 4

20 borderlands with 3

15 borderlands with 2

6 realms of the elements. For a total of 63 zones.
This message was last edited by the player at 15:39, Thu 17 June 2021.

Welcome Shin, brother of Kuldariel!

A lot of these gods in this game seem a little silly, which I find hilarious.


You seem to have left out a combination for water + metal.

Regardless, I strongly recommend you limit it to six combinations, because twenty one will take you several months to fill in, which I'm sure would become unbearably boring for you?

If you were to do six, I assume you'd base it off of adjacency in the element chart posted by the GM.

So, as per what you've written so far you would have:

 - Lightning, Aura, Poison, Magma, Magnet and ???

I would have water + metal add into Ice, because Ice is an awesome element and the combination is sensible enough.

I'm not a huge fan of aura and magma, but that's 100% your call. Since you're looking for some suggestions, how about replacing 'aura' with 'light' and 'magma' with 'smoke'?

Then, you would have lightning, light, poison, smoke, magnet and ice.

Magnet has a lot of potential, but it definitely sticks out among the others like a sore thumb, at least that's how I perceive it. The only one that I think could replace it is crystal, but I'm not a fan of that one.

To be clear, I actually like magnet, but I don't know if it mixes well with the other five? I don't really know what could replace it, though.

We're beings with nigh limitless power of COURSE we're silly!

And that Is precisely why what I do depends on how much I can do with a single action.

For instance I could have the sentences be. I create the lands of the primary elements. I create The lands of the secondary elements. I create the God-lands.I create the X(I have no Idea what I'd do for the four-way overlaps). I create the False Worlds. I create the void realm.

Will this attract the wrath of AO? I have no idea. But I do know I'll end up with making 6 actions just for the basic elements and will likely establish my void action as the borderlands and the void center. Then everything else will be a single sentence where I may end up triggering the wrath of AO just so it's done at all.


Oh and Metal+Water is Base as in acid vs Base Base.
This message was last edited by the player at 15:53, Thu 17 June 2021.

With a single ACT you can CREAT, ALTER< or DESTROY one thing. Well, DESTROY anything not directly made by another God.

Things to beware in my game. Fundamental forces OTHER than the interactions of the six elements and the elements themselves do not exist. Gravity? Nadda. Thermodynamics? Nope. I always assume Time and Space as they are so basic that the existence of anything implies them.

So, you want to CREATE a REALM of WATER? Where is it? How do you define REALM? How is it contained and not flowing out to fill CREATION?

Try to question even the most foundational of things.

Also, if you create two of these realms and they overlap... you better have an ACT available to define how that overlap works or I will do it for you. I am a much more active AO than some others are.

Anyway, think out your ACTS carefully.

On the other hand, I love it when gods leave stuff to me...

Oh, and Void has no definition other than being a mix of all other elements.

I should point out that by definition if there are no physics the realm wouldn't flood all of creation as the physics it would rely on wouldn't exist.

So, would we have to first create 'matter' or 'atoms' before we could create any physical thing? Or is that assumed to be part of space? I don't mind either way, 'cause I love starting from the very beginning with God Games.

Though, if instead of inventing subatomic particles and instead one of us posts first and decides every physical thing is instead made up of something far stupider such as chimeras or supermassive blackholes, how could that even work out?

Does doing something incredibly stupid - but totally legal - risk the Wrath of AO?

Hmm I don't need to establish lightning or magnetism. I can leave that to AO all I need to do is establish the rules responsible for those overlappings and call them the Elemental Planes Rules and explain why it works out this way without ever going into detail of what it would specifically result in unless it's already established as a factor of the world.
This message was last edited by the player at 16:45, Thu 17 June 2021.

And since I'm working with things that expressly do exist and rules that exist everything is fine.

Yeah, the initial rounds of these games are real interesting. Some will always go with establishing physics as we know it. Some will try to tweak it.

This is why I try to do thing like the Element system. You can assume these forms of stuff exist. Is it "matter?" Who can say? Physics? Well, the interactions listed in the chart exist. That is meant to be the foundation of this setting. These are the forces that act and the things they act upon. Extrapolation of that into a working system is your jobs.

Example: Someone creates a plane of water. Pure elemental water. Then they create an elemental plane of Wood next to it so they overlap and interact. The only thing that will happen where they mix is exactly what is stated in the chart. Wood absorbs Water. Water nourishes Wood. An endless cycle would be established. If you want this mixture to create something new, you have to establish that fact with an ACT. Wood + Water creates Poison. That is a new truth of Creation. I might put some details in there about what Poison is and if it might interact in other unpredictable ways. Also, it'd be up to me unless you add some definition in your post as to what constitutes the plane...

Early turns in a game like this can often feel like baby steps as you establish rules. But these steps are important.

And as I always say, don't be afraid of WRATH. Sometimes, it's worth it. Just don't poke the bear too much. I don't think too many of you have been in my games before, but my WRATH can be quite creative at times.

Since this is my first time playing in a game like this, when in doubt on what to do what is the preferred methodology:

1. Make my move/act/etc and let the potential Wrath or changes from my fellow Gods play out

or

2. Drop a note in this channel asking for help/clarity before proceeding

Full disclosure, most of my SNAFU's will be from ignorance and stupidity rather than sneakery.

Ah, I feel we really might be related ;)

A horribly done quickie.

Floradon Creates The Rule of Combination <- Void Act( I'm using this as the basis since it's reliant on it)

The Rule of combination allows for the combination of magically charged elements irregardless of how many magical elements are at the scene of the combination while possible to be artificially inseminated elsewhere the elemental planes overlapping zones are a known place where these smaller combinations work. They are referred to as border zones due to them being on the border of multiple other elements. And where all 6 do overlap void is the result. This ultimately ends up with 6 levels.
1) The separation phase they are seperate from one another and are a place where if the other elements are brought in normal interaction will occur. Unless prevented by other means.
2) The Secondary elements this is where the elements fuse together to create secondary elements with which AO has full discretion over.
3) The God-Lands a place where metamagic starts to form.
4) Up To Ao how he wants this one to work.
5) The False-Voids 6 of them exist and each one is but an echo of creation the missing piece is exemplified here.
6) The Void where all elements are combined.

Ultimately I'm making a void act that what I ultimately want to have happen happens in a reasonable time frame, while allowing Ao screw with it in multiple ways.

It's either I do this or this game doesn't last long enough for me to do it at all I know which one I choose.
This message was last edited by the player at 18:03, Thu 17 June 2021.