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OOC Discussion.

Posted by GMFor group 0
GM
GM, 59 posts
Mon 19 Jul 2021
at 07:59
  • msg #1

OOC Discussion

Hey all, this is for OOC game conversation.

You should have been seeing a number of folders for some time. You should see some of the news items currently coming out of Seattle in the news and current events folder. You should also see some info about the Pan Pacific Hotel in downtown Seattle in the Places and Locations folder. The Matrix Sites and Contacts, Marks & People of Influence folders should be somewhat empty and will fill up as the game goes along. Let me know if you see all this as described.
FreeMason
player, 21 posts
Mon 19 Jul 2021
at 08:45
  • msg #2

OOC Discussion

Sorry to be a nuisance, but I can't see any of those folders. It's entirely possible that its just me being a bit thick.
GM
GM, 60 posts
Mon 19 Jul 2021
at 09:18
  • msg #3

OOC Discussion

Nope, probably me trying to be too clever. Let me see what I can do
GM
GM, 61 posts
Mon 19 Jul 2021
at 09:26
  • msg #4

OOC Discussion

Ok, I think I understand groups a little better. You should be able to see the folders now. These threads are intended to be read-only for you, a catalog of information. If you want to discuss them do it in the OOC thread.
FreeMason
player, 22 posts
Mon 19 Jul 2021
at 11:21
  • msg #5

OOC Discussion

Yup, I see them now.
Tu Bahd
player, 19 posts
Female Human
Adept Marksman
Mon 19 Jul 2021
at 11:31
  • msg #6

OOC Discussion

Wooo!

I'll be dropping later this afternoon/evening!
Glamnarok
player, 19 posts
Mon 19 Jul 2021
at 12:21
  • msg #7

Re: OOC Discussion

GM:
Ok, I think I understand groups a little better. You should be able to see the folders now. These threads are intended to be read-only for you, a catalog of information. If you want to discuss them do it in the OOC thread.

Yup, just to confirm everything viewable by me:

Notice: Character Generation (group 0)
Notice: House Rules (group 0)
Notice: News and Current Events (group 1)
Notice: Matrix Sites (group 1)
Notice: Places and Locations (group 1)
Notice: Contacts, Marks and People of Influence (group 1)
OOC Discussion (group 0)
Sleep Well in Seattle (group 0)
GM
GM, 62 posts
Mon 19 Jul 2021
at 14:35
  • msg #8

Re: OOC Discussion

Yep, That's the threads. The Matrix Sites and the Contacts, Marks and People of Influence should be pretty empty but there should be relevant content in the other two.
GM
GM, 63 posts
Mon 19 Jul 2021
at 17:30
  • msg #9

Re: OOC Discussion

One note to everyone. The burner SIN will be a rating 4 SIN in a random identity that will be active for the duration of your stay in the Pan Pacific (1 week). Feel free to add it to your character sheets.

If you don't take the burner let me know which of your IDs you are taking the job under?
Tu Bahd
player, 21 posts
Female Human
Adept Marksman
Mon 19 Jul 2021
at 19:54
  • msg #10

Re: OOC Discussion

Is it safe to presume these identities, if accepted, will be assigned by you?
GM
GM, 64 posts
Mon 19 Jul 2021
at 20:04
  • msg #11

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Tu Bahd (msg # 10):

Yep, I'll assign them. Just let me know which way you want to go.
Tu Bahd
player, 22 posts
Female Human
Adept Marksman
Mon 19 Jul 2021
at 20:19
  • msg #12

Re: OOC Discussion

Cool beans.

Thinking storywise makes sense that Tu Bahd would take a free Lvl 4 SIN for a week.
Glamnarok
player, 21 posts
Mon 19 Jul 2021
at 23:27
  • msg #13

Re: OOC Discussion

GM:
One note to everyone. The burner SIN will be a rating 4 SIN in a random identity that will be active for the duration of your stay in the Pan Pacific (1 week). Feel free to add it to your character sheets.

That's fine.  Glam will still go ahead and set up under their own SIN for various reasons, but will accept and use the 1 week burner that Mr. J is providing.
GM
GM, 65 posts
Tue 20 Jul 2021
at 01:30
  • msg #14

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Glamnarok (msg # 13):

Let me make sure we're communicating clearly. If you accept the burner SIN then the ticket on the sub-orbital and the reservation at the Pan Pacific hotel will be obtained for the burner SIN. If you decide that you don't want the burner then the ticket and reservation will be in the name of one of your pre-registered IDs.

The advantage of the burner is that you don't risk compromising one of your SINs. You get a SIN of a chummer who apparently lived a clean life, then they take a trip to Seattle, stay a week in the Pan Pacific and poof disappear.

The disadvantage of the burner is that when you load the credentials into a commlink then the process includes uploading your biometrics to a couple of datastores to register the identity (as with any SIN) but your not sure that those are the only places that the bio's are being uploaded too, unless you hack the integration software and make sure the integration is clean.
FreeMason
player, 24 posts
Tue 20 Jul 2021
at 01:32
  • msg #15

Re: OOC Discussion

I was so tempted to include a Rick & Morty "You son of a bitch, I'm in" gif with my post then.
Glamnarok
player, 22 posts
Tue 20 Jul 2021
at 03:51
  • msg #16

Re: OOC Discussion

GM:
Let me make sure we're communicating clearly.

I got the first part.  And despite excepting it and using it, Glam will still set up a flop and a safehouse under their own fake SINs, because you never trust a Johnson (especially when you're trusting a Johnson).

Though I might instead of setting up a two months safehouse in a U-Stor-It, only set it up for one month (and save 625¥).


quote:
The disadvantage of the burner is that when you load the credentials into a commlink then the process includes uploading your biometrics to a couple of datastores to register the identity (as with any SIN) but your not sure that those are the only places that the bio's are being uploaded too, unless you hack the integration software and make sure the integration is clean.

How much would it cost to hire a hacker to do this?
Xaays
player, 24 posts
Tue 20 Jul 2021
at 04:30
  • msg #17

Re: OOC Discussion

GM:
The disadvantage of the burner is that when you load the credentials into a commlink then the process includes uploading your biometrics to a couple of datastores to register the identity (as with any SIN) but your not sure that those are the only places that the bio's are being uploaded too, unless you hack the integration software and make sure the integration is clean.


But isn't this true of all fake SINs, not just the burner SIN?

I'm not seeing any specific disadvantage to the burner SIN that isn't inherent to all the other SINs we (allegedly) have.
GM
GM, 66 posts
Tue 20 Jul 2021
at 05:14
  • msg #18

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Xaays (msg # 17):

To some degree yes, but when you arrange a fake SIN it's probably through a contact that you at least have some history with and maybe established a level of trust so when the fake SIN is loaded onto you comm you can have a little confidence that the process only sends the data to the appropriate datastores.

Here you are receiving what is essentially an encrypted installer file from a Johnson you never met and when you install the fake SIN into your comm you are trusting this installer to only send the data to the appropriate datastores.

It's simply a matter of trust of the installer.
Tu Bahd
player, 23 posts
Female Human
Adept Marksman
Tue 20 Jul 2021
at 15:42
  • msg #19

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Glamnarok (msg # 16):

Excellent question, Glam.

Also, couldn't you just hold on to the SIN without loading it in case your others get burnt? If so, I'm thinking to do just that until I can make sure it's a clean upload.

I guess it could be another to do list to break into said datastorws and get your drek deleted..
GM
GM, 67 posts
Tue 20 Jul 2021
at 16:31
  • msg #20

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Glamnarok (msg # 16):

500Y per rank of hacking skill of the hacker you hire.
GM
GM, 68 posts
Tue 20 Jul 2021
at 16:37
  • msg #21

Re: OOC Discussion

Tu Bahd:
Also, couldn't you just hold on to the SIN without loading it in case your others get burnt? If so, I'm thinking to do just that until I can make sure it's a clean upload.


No, if you request the SIN the travel tickets and hotel reservations are in that name. You need the SIN installed to get on the flight or check into the hotel. Also the SIN only lasts 1 week.

quote:
I guess it could be another to do list to break into said datastorws and get your drek deleted..

 Those are some WELL protected datastores
Tu Bahd
player, 24 posts
Female Human
Adept Marksman
Tue 20 Jul 2021
at 18:17
  • msg #22

Re: OOC Discussion

Hot damn.

If that's the case, think I'm gonna rethink that drek. Don't think this cat would want anything put somewhere they didn't know about, so no way will she be taking that. She'll be checking in with a different SIN.

Also, is there a required SIN level to travel internationally, since this chick is coming out of Egypt?

And do we/will we have the opportunity to ask for something else besides a SIN? Not much of a talker but I'd shoot the shot.
Tu Bahd
player, 25 posts
Female Human
Adept Marksman
Tue 20 Jul 2021
at 18:18
  • msg #23

Re: OOC Discussion

Also, digging all of your intro posts. Looking great.
Glamnarok
player, 23 posts
Wed 21 Jul 2021
at 06:22
  • msg #24

Re: OOC Discussion

GM:
500Y per rank of hacking skill of the hacker you hire.

Okay, two more questions.

How much to spoof the biodata the comlink is reporting?

Can I rearrange my Lifestyles* so I can afford this?




* Not the "Availability 5 Tax" Lifestyle, but the other lifestyles, that won't exactly be needed for a week...
GM
GM, 69 posts
Wed 21 Jul 2021
at 13:49
  • msg #25

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Glamnarok (msg # 24):

It’s not exactly something you spoof for a R4 SIN. If you do you will likely turn the SIN into an R1 or R2. Imagine that you are taking a flight and going through immigration. I have a US green card that required me to share my thumb print (biometric data) when I got it. When I go through immigration they take my thumb print and match it to the ID. If it doesn’t match I’m in trouble. Same here with the SIN, if you spoof the biometric data you really don’t have a SIN that will stand up to close inspection hence a rating of R1 or R2. R3 and above are generally needed for international flying. R1 and R2 might get you into the Pan Pacific if the doors aren’t coded to your biometric data.

You are welcome to drop a month of lifestyle to pay for a hacker to ensure the SIN installs cleanly
GM
GM, 70 posts
Wed 21 Jul 2021
at 14:24
  • msg #26

Re: OOC Discussion

I look at SINs is this way

R1: Little to no true biometrics or persona history. Will get you into a club or past a cursory gate check that doesn’t back check the ID.
R2: Very much like R1 but more persona history. Will pass a light background check such as a credit check.
R3: True biometrics though likely a reduced amount of data points. Daily solid 5-10 year of history. Will get you through most immigration.
R4: Like R3 with less errors. Can live normally with an R4 SIN
R5: Good biometrics, will get you low level security clearance with most corps and government
R6: As good as it gets, good biometrics and full life history.  Can get high level security clearance on this bad boy.
FreeMason
player, 25 posts
Wed 21 Jul 2021
at 14:27
  • msg #27

Re: OOC Discussion

On the Shadowrun Wiki site it describes the fake SIN ratings & roughly what they encompass. However, the sources all appear to be SR5 based.
Glamnarok
player, 24 posts
Wed 21 Jul 2021
at 17:48
  • msg #28

Re: OOC Discussion

GM:
It’s not exactly something you spoof for a R4 SIN.

If we're taking cues from Gattica, that's all spoofable.  Granted I didn't think about Gattica levels of biometric intrusiveness when buying gear, so I'll skip this for now...  But with nuyen comes opportunity.

quote:
You are welcome to drop a month of lifestyle to pay for a hacker to ensure the SIN installs cleanly

Gonna need to be more than one month dropped... but I'll keep the U-Stor-It for a month as a "fallback safehouse", and a location to have shipped some of the gear (like the Gunsmith Workshop, not really taking that as 'carryon' now are we?  And the extra ammo, etc.  I'll make a quick list of what was shipped to the U-Stor-It and what's going through customs and drop it in a PM).


GM:
I look at SINs is this way

R1: Little to no true biometrics or persona history. Will get you into a club or past a cursory gate check that doesn’t back check the ID.
R2: Very much like R1 but more persona history. Will pass a light background check such as a credit check.
R3: True biometrics though likely a reduced amount of data points. Daily solid 5-10 year of history. Will get you through most immigration.
R4: Like R3 with less errors. Can live normally with an R4 SIN
R5: Good biometrics, will get you low level security clearance with most corps and government
R6: As good as it gets, good biometrics and full life history.  Can get high level security clearance on this bad boy.

That is all good info.  Excellent, I think I'm pretty much now locked into the same page you're running from.

So what is an R4 SIN missing that a Corp sec clearance will be looking for that it wouldn't have?  Deeper databank saturation?

And if R3 has "true biometrics", I don't see what more an R5 could have over it.

And by "true biometrics", are you overlooking the spoofing of your own biometrics (cellular glove p278, retinal duplication p285, voice modulator p285, etc* - which granted I don't think any of su are doing right now)?



* "Etc" gets more complicated (or less if the writers had felt like getting into it, other CPunk games have done so, heck I think earlier editions of Shadowrun did as well - face changing cyberware, chem factories for breath analysis and mouth swabs), but with some thought and adaptability we could get that running.  Could already have if I'd have been thinking about it during gear buying, but it'll have to be future stuff now.  I ain't gonna slow the game down at this point, Glamnarok will have to just run into their lack of foresight and put it on a to do list, and hope quick thinking, a glib lie, and overwhelming firepower will keep the hunters of their back for a week or two...
GM
GM, 71 posts
Thu 22 Jul 2021
at 12:39
  • msg #29

Re: OOC Discussion

In response to Glam’s comments

1. The difference between R4 and R6 can be many fold. In my estimation R4 will probably have 5-10 years of personal history to back up the persona, which may include maybe one or two faked references, address information, work history etc. There may be some holes in this data that a search algorithm could penetrate. On the biometric side there may be limited data points for a retinal scan, fingerprint scan or voice scan, which would limit certain searches again, but generally not a search that a regular salaryman would need to live his life. Travel, business and family life could all be conducted on an R4. For a military background check, high profile Corp position etc. you would need a full life history including schools, live references, etc. of utmost quality with few holes to be exploited (I’ve been through this process a couple of times)  and on the biometrics side an R6 would give you enough data point match to meet the requirements for military/high profile corp background checks.

2. You make good points about spoofing the biometrics. You can certainly use those implants and gear to create a different biometric profile but note that during an in person check you would not be allowed to wear gloves, the use of the retinal duplication is illegal and voice modulation requires a license. All of these add risk in certain situations where biometric verification is required. Your R3 spoofed SIN will contain a lot more anomalies from your natural biometric profile than your R6 and therefore you are less likely to be able to pass a bio scan when asked to remove gloves or turn off your voice modulation. My assertion of “true biometrics” is incorrect. Maybe “closer to natural profile” would be better. At R3 maybe you get 25 data points, 10 of which match your natural profile, but at R5 you get 50, 30 of which match the profile. Your R5 is going to pass more scans where you can’t use the spoofing devices based on percentage of match.
GM
GM, 72 posts
Thu 22 Jul 2021
at 12:47
  • msg #30

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to FreeMason (msg # 27):

I read through and think they are along similar lines. Thanks for pointing it out.
Glamnarok
player, 25 posts
Thu 22 Jul 2021
at 17:46
  • msg #31

Re: OOC Discussion

GM:
2. You make good points about spoofing the biometrics. You can certainly use those implants and gear to create a different biometric profile but note that during an in person check you would not be allowed to wear gloves, the use of the retinal duplication is illegal and voice modulation requires a license. All of these add risk in certain situations where biometric verification is required.

Copy.

quote:
Your R5 is going to pass more scans where you can’t use the spoofing devices based on percentage of match.

Copy.
GM
GM, 74 posts
Sun 25 Jul 2021
at 15:21
  • msg #32

Re: OOC Discussion

Posts may be limited. On vacation with family until Friday. Will try to keep up on my phone
Tu Bahd
player, 27 posts
Disciple of Osiris
Adept Marksman
Mon 26 Jul 2021
at 15:44
  • msg #33

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to GM (msg # 32):

Hope you have a good time with the fam :)
Xaays
player, 26 posts
Mon 26 Jul 2021
at 16:22
  • msg #34

Re: OOC Discussion

I can't post on my phone to save my life.

What time of year is it in-game? The initial caller said that Seattle was nice this time of year so I presume it's not the winter.

The reference to the Sonics makes me think the spring (early spring for regular season, late spring for playoffs), but of course that depends on if the basketball season follows the same calendar in the future.
Xaays
player, 28 posts
Tue 27 Jul 2021
at 17:21
  • msg #35

Re: OOC Discussion

Got my post up. Tried to keep it season-agnostic.

I was a little self-indulgent but I find the downtime between jobs to be a rich source of RP. The GM teed it up well (probably to keep us busy while on vacation) so I figured I'd hit it hard. This was a fun little writing exercise.
Tu Bahd
player, 28 posts
Disciple of Osiris
Adept Marksman
Tue 27 Jul 2021
at 17:26
  • msg #36

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Xaays (msg # 35):

I agree!

Honestly, if I wasn't cramming to get this case study going in a week, I'd probably put more effort into it. Good stuff though, Xaays :)
GM
GM, 75 posts
Sun 1 Aug 2021
at 05:49
  • msg #37

Re: OOC Discussion

Ok, back from vacation. Will get a post up tonight or tomorrow.
Tu Bahd
player, 29 posts
Disciple of Osiris
Adept Marksman
Sun 1 Aug 2021
at 21:05
  • msg #38

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to GM (msg # 37):

Cool beans!

I might be low on my posting availability myself soon. Got better half's birthday and a case study to complete.
GM
GM, 77 posts
Tue 3 Aug 2021
at 00:29
  • msg #39

Re: OOC Discussion

In terms of game time I was thinking we're in early spring, March/April time frame as mentioned. In case that's of consequence to anyone.
Xaays
player, 30 posts
Mon 9 Aug 2021
at 19:58
  • msg #40

Re: OOC Discussion

Question about the premise, although unsure if this should be IC or OOC:

A - Is Mr. Johnson marketing us a team? So we go to the gala and it's an open secret (among the gala attendees) why we're there and one or more of them approaches us with that understanding in mind.

or

B - We're bait on the hook and Johnson is casting us into the gala to go fishing. We're responsible for drumming up work for ourselves and then slipping that info to the Johnson (who has 'paid' for the info up-front by flying us into town, putting us up in a luxury hotel, arranging nice clothes for the occasion, and generally putting us into a position to succeed that we wouldn't have been in otherwise).

If it's better to rephrase as an IC question I can do that.
GM
GM, 78 posts
Mon 9 Aug 2021
at 20:05
  • msg #41

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Xaays (msg # 40):

I would ask that IC, it's a good question.
Tu Bahd
player, 31 posts
Disciple of Osiris
Adept Marksman
Mon 9 Aug 2021
at 20:20
  • msg #42

Re: OOC Discussion

@Xaays good question.

And excited to get this going!

@DM besides us (the team) and the johnson, are there others in the room? Because Tu Bahd will ask about them otherwise.
GM
GM, 79 posts
Mon 9 Aug 2021
at 20:34
  • msg #43

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Tu Bahd (msg # 42):

No, it's only you and Johnson in the room.
GM
GM, 81 posts
Mon 9 Aug 2021
at 22:17
  • msg #44

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Xaays (msg # 40):

So the OOC answer is it's a little of both. You gather that certain factions (runners) are expected to be part of the gala. Your ability to blend in and maybe how you operate as a team are likely being evaluated by potential employers, but it will be your job to work the room and find employment it will not necessarily be handed on a platter to you. For putting you in this position Johnson is expecting to receive whatever info you can obtain.
Xaays
player, 32 posts
Mon 9 Aug 2021
at 22:58
  • msg #45

Re: OOC Discussion

Makes sense to me.
Glamnarok
player, 29 posts
Tue 10 Aug 2021
at 04:00
  • msg #46

Re: OOC Discussion

GM:
... and maybe how you operate as a team are likely being evaluated by potential employers...

Good thing we're getting two days for those team building exercises... granted it's a social event, so the non-social types can either blend in the shadows or loom like bodyguards and leave the talking the social beasts.  Maybe plant some bugs on the other runners, and the clients.
GM
GM, 82 posts
Tue 10 Aug 2021
at 05:30
  • msg #47

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Glamnarok (msg # 46):

Don't discount the value of astral and matrix cover in social situations. It may not be a run per se, but both positions can still be valuable to provide information on the fly to the faces during their negotiations.
This message was last edited by the GM at 05:34, Tue 10 Aug 2021.
Tu Bahd
player, 33 posts
Disciple of Osiris
Adept Marksman
Tue 10 Aug 2021
at 05:31
  • msg #48

Re: OOC Discussion

Yeah...was thinking Tu Bahd will take her edgelady ass into a corner and simmer at somebody, but the bugs sound like a better idea.

She wouldn't be afraid to chop it up, but there in is the issue, as she would fk that right up.

Thought Glam had face skills too.

@GM Great points
GM
GM, 83 posts
Tue 10 Aug 2021
at 05:38
  • msg #49

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Tu Bahd (msg # 48):

To me the group partitions nicely in this situation. Glam and Xaays work the floor. Glitch and FreeMason provide the coverage. Tu Bahd provides physical protection for the decker and mage while also acting as backup muscle if things go south. Stick everyone on a closed team communications channel with the faces having sub-dermal or hidden mics/audio equipment and you have a team where everyone can contribute to the discussion/scene while each having a distinct role. Though I also like the idea of Tu Bahd contributing in a stealthy way planting bugs or tracking potential marks/threats.
This message was last edited by the GM at 05:42, Tue 10 Aug 2021.
Xaays
player, 34 posts
Wed 11 Aug 2021
at 02:50
  • msg #50

Re: OOC Discussion

Tu Bahd:
"I do not vwear lace. Et eez gauche."

This made me laugh.

Evidently the small font doesn't work in quotes.
This message was last edited by the player at 02:51, Wed 11 Aug 2021.
Tu Bahd
player, 35 posts
Disciple of Osiris
Adept Marksman
Wed 11 Aug 2021
at 04:09
  • msg #51

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Xaays (msg # 50):

Lol glad to know it does it for you XD

And yeah I don't think those smalls work on mobile.
GM
GM, 84 posts
Wed 11 Aug 2021
at 18:29
  • msg #52

Re: OOC Discussion

Note that the gala tomorrow is not the conference. After the gala the real conference begins. The gala is simply the meet and greet, think White House dinner for dignitaries from foreign nations. However a lot of business is conducted at these affairs.
Xaays
player, 37 posts
Wed 11 Aug 2021
at 18:52
  • msg #53

Re: OOC Discussion

What time is the gala tomorrow vs. what time is it now? Just trying to get a sense of how much time there is available.
GM
GM, 85 posts
Wed 11 Aug 2021
at 19:35
  • msg #54

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Xaays (msg # 53):

Current game time is early on a Wednesday, probably around 10:00am, on a day in early April.
Gala kicks off at 7pm on Thursday evening.
GM
GM, 86 posts
Wed 11 Aug 2021
at 21:58
  • msg #55

Re: OOC Discussion

The hotel does have small conference rooms available, though today would be the last time they could be used. Tomorrow they will be prepared as part of the rooms that are being made available to the gala.

Basically on the ground floor of the hotel the is an adjacent conference center hosting 3 large conference rooms and 4 smaller rooms. All those rooms will be used to host the conference tomorrow.

There are also bars and restaurants on the roof and the ground floor, as well as a rooftop swim and sauna establishment.

All are potential places to meet, though your rooms might work as well. Especially as in discussion you discover that you are co-located so you can meet in a middle room without having neighbors in the adjacent rooms.
Tu Bahd
player, 36 posts
Disciple of Osiris
Adept Marksman
Fri 13 Aug 2021
at 02:01
  • msg #56

Re: OOC Discussion

Will probably be able to get a post in before the weekend.
Glamnarok
player, 32 posts
Mon 16 Aug 2021
at 12:29
  • msg #57

Re: OOC Discussion

Ah, Glitch, I was going to suggest we meet somewhere the Johnson doesn't control, away from things the Johnson has supplied...

If everyone else is fine meeting in the middle room though, I'm flexible.
Glitch
player, 21 posts
Male Elf
Mystic Adept Decker
Mon 16 Aug 2021
at 13:32
  • msg #58

Re: OOC Discussion

Either way is fine. I can just edit the post to be at a different location. We could do a conference room.
Xaays
player, 39 posts
Mon 16 Aug 2021
at 23:35
  • msg #59

Re: OOC Discussion

Well if we can't defend ourselves against the Johnson I don't know how we're going to fare against the people who are actively opposing us.
Glamnarok
player, 33 posts
Tue 17 Aug 2021
at 01:44
  • msg #60

Re: OOC Discussion

Xaays:
Well if we can't defend ourselves against the Johnson I don't know how we're going to fare against the people who are actively opposing us.

For Glam, it has nothing to do with "defend against the Johnson" so much as "doesn't trust the Johnson enough to talk freely anywhere the Johnson had access to before we did".  Mild paranoia, it's not likely to be actually important, just mild IC paranoia.

I know how trivial is to bug a place and a white noise generator does nothing against a visual recording which is later run through a lip-reading subroutine...  mild paranoia... mild... and a white noise generator only makes it harder for the Smart Room to listen in to everything and record it anyway... mild paranoia, deep breath, mild paranoia...
This message was last edited by the player at 01:47, Tue 17 Aug 2021.
Glitch
player, 22 posts
Male Elf
Mystic Adept Decker
Tue 17 Aug 2021
at 01:52
  • msg #61

Re: OOC Discussion

If Glitch can’t see video devices running silent in the room, then we have much more to worry about.
Xaays
player, 40 posts
Tue 17 Aug 2021
at 02:48
  • msg #62

Re: OOC Discussion

Glitch's point is my point.

If we can't find the Johnson's surveillance then we're drekky runners. So let's do what we're good at, both intel and counterintel.

Should make for good RP.
Glamnarok
player, 34 posts
Tue 17 Aug 2021
at 03:27
  • msg #63

Re: OOC Discussion

Glitch:
If Glitch can�t see video devices running silent in the room, then we have much more to worry about.

Like I said, Glam would make the request, but if everyone else is onboard, that's fine.  And then eventually Glam can come to trust that you have got that area under control.
GM
GM, 87 posts
Tue 17 Aug 2021
at 06:17
  • msg #64

Re: OOC Discussion

Good conversation. Just to let everyone know I'm here and following along. Let me know what angles your characters want to pursue in the 30 hours or so they have for legwork.

So far I have Glitch running a Matrix search for information on the guests in the guest list.
Tu Bahd
player, 37 posts
Disciple of Osiris
Adept Marksman
Tue 17 Aug 2021
at 14:21
  • msg #65

Re: OOC Discussion

Sorry for my part of the delay, folks. Just finished a case study and now running through a 3 day design sprint. Suffice it to say, I'm dropping this post now, but will probably be off grid until Monday (surprise Bday trip for SO at end of week!)
Glamnarok
player, 35 posts
Tue 17 Aug 2021
at 16:25
  • msg #66

Re: OOC Discussion

GM:
Good conversation.

Just waiting on either Tu or Mason to to go "yay middle room" or "nay middle room", with 5 runners "votes" (we arent' really voting IC) can go fast and decisively...

And looks like Tu 'voted' while I was typing.  So middle room it is.

quote:
Let me know what angles your characters want to pursue in the 30 hours or so they have for legwork.

PMing commences.




Xaays:
If we can't find the Johnson's surveillance then we're drekky runners. So let's do what we're good at, both intel and counterintel.

Glamnarok doesn't know if "we" are drekky runners ('we' doesn't include the Glamself*) or topshelf runners (*), so IC'ly, you can see where some mild paranoia might come from.  Even OOC'ly I have no idea of anyone's capacities outside of my sheet...  (but we'll all find out soon)


* Glam is rather suspicious of this whole affair and suspects our Johnson may be a few fries short of a Happy Meal.  I mean, who would hire a reporter to cover a gala event and expect they wouldn't report about it?  Or maybe our shortstack boss expects that and thus Glam has the perfect cover?  Is Johnson already six moves ahead of us on this Xanatos Gambit?!?!?!
GM
GM, 88 posts
Tue 17 Aug 2021
at 17:00
  • msg #67

Re: OOC Discussion

Dammit. Knew I'd leave something important out of the conversation. Johnson would have expressed firmly that no weapons would be tolerated at the gala, and he expects you to abide by that. By at the gala he means on the floor, there is no doubt that everybody will likely have armed backup available somewhere in the hotel but in the conference center hosting the gala there is a strict no weapons policy.
Xaays
player, 41 posts
Tue 17 Aug 2021
at 18:11
  • msg #68

Re: OOC Discussion

It's fair. Honestly, I would have been shocked if there had been weapons allowed.

Xáays has a few contacts from Salish Shidhe so he'll be reaching out to them for information, especially about John Abernathy.

@GM Do you want to IC that or do you want it to take place OOCly or via PMs? Not sure how much detail you want to RP.
Tu Bahd
player, 39 posts
Disciple of Osiris
Adept Marksman
Tue 17 Aug 2021
at 19:46
  • msg #69

Re: OOC Discussion

Glamnarok:
('we' doesn't include the Glamself*)


That made me laugh.

Also, for the sake of planning, my help to have a little more meta on Tu Bahd:

She's basically all about dressing dope and shooting people.

Again, pretty edgy, hardcore, femme fatale drek, but I'm hoping to roleplay her with a little more depth than that as time goes on. I'll also be a little more clear through RP what she is capable of while leaving some modicum of surprise.




So, I OOC'ly presumed we couldn't bring weapons into the gala. However, as Shadowrunners, do we not have the capability to plan for that contingency?

A.k.a. Anyone up for some smuggling?

Tu Bahd don't feel the need to have to smuggle in weapons, but they are the tools of her trade.

I also wonder; are decks subject to inspection?

And is their a mage in the group? Glitch, you seem like you're a mystic decker and that's dope.
Glitch
player, 23 posts
Male Elf
Mystic Adept Decker
Wed 18 Aug 2021
at 00:21
  • msg #70

Re: OOC Discussion

Mystic Adept (conjuring and no sorcery)/AR Decker (deck but no cyberjack)/Rigger (RCC but no control rig)
Xaays
player, 43 posts
Wed 18 Aug 2021
at 01:37
  • msg #71

Re: OOC Discussion

I also enjoyed the Glamself.

FreeMason has some spells up his sleeve.

@Tu Bahd Xáays is open to smuggling in general, but wouldn't see the need in this case. The risks seem to outweigh the rewards. We can RP that if you like.

@Glamnarok During chargen, you started off as an ex-cop. Did Glamnarok migrate into a reporter?

I started out as an adept and ended up full of cyber so I know things can drift during chargen.
Glamnarok
player, 36 posts
Wed 18 Aug 2021
at 04:52
  • msg #72

Re: OOC Discussion

Tu Bahd:
Glamnarok:
('we' doesn't include the Glamself*)


That made me laugh.

Thanks, made me laugh to.  Glamnarok is about discovering themself since they stopped being a cop a decade ago and well... there are a few secrets that have been hinted at and I suspect will come home to roost by the 3rd or 4th day of the actual run (I suspect it'll be sometime after we move out to the safehouse in Puyallup).

quote:
She's basically all about dressing dope and shooting people.

Whereas Glam is all about, in this order, talking, shooting, tanking, and being large and loud.  Sorry, as much as I wanted to fit it in, Stealth ended up my dump stat.  But that's fine, the Troll's job is to draw attention.


Xaays:
@Tu Bahd Xáays is open to smuggling in general, but wouldn't see the need in this case. The risks seem to outweigh the rewards. We can RP that if you like.

Yeah... Glam's smallest weapon is a a Light Pistol they refer to as a "holdout pistol" (Ruger Redhawk), but honestly Glam only carries that if Glam wants to hurt people less than if they punched them...  :|

(and because Glam has not learned how to hit people who are more than 3-5 yards away, and sometimes the roomsweepers are inappropriate and the rifle is only taken on special runs)

Glam will probably forgo smuggling in a weapon even the group decides to smuggle in weapons, because Glam punches pretty hard and grapple damage is just rude (Strength/2 roundup?  Don't let a Troll grab you).

quote:
@Glamnarok During chargen, you started off as an ex-cop. Did Glamnarok migrate into a reporter?

Not really.  Unless you think a reporter would have skills a Face wouldn't have, in which Glam is living a lie as a reporter.  No, this is more, Glam is an ex-cop* who is under an assumed identity and that identity has been a fashion reporter for a newsrag in San Fran the last six plus years (while also moonlighting on runs).


* But what makes a runner an ex-cop instead of an ex-merc, but a few Knowledge choices?  And what makes a fashion reporter but a few Skills and Knowledges?  And a Press Badge!  Do not forget the all mighty laminated cardboard badge of the Fourth Estate!
This message was last edited by the player at 18:15, Wed 18 Aug 2021.
Glitch
player, 24 posts
Male Elf
Mystic Adept Decker
Wed 18 Aug 2021
at 07:45
  • msg #73

Re: OOC Discussion

I made a brawling troll too in another game and was bummed when the change log showed that base unarmed damage for trolls got reduced to base 2P unless you grappled. Gave him titanium bone lacing and some martial arts techniques to bump it up to 6P base then 8P if he did a flying kick.
Xaays
player, 44 posts
Wed 18 Aug 2021
at 17:00
  • msg #74

Re: OOC Discussion

I had a long (internal) debate during chargen about whether to go ork (and focus on grappling) or elf (and focus on striking). I went with the latter not so much due to combat effectiveness but because I played a lot of orks in 5E but never any elves. My last elf was back in 4E so I decided to dust off the metatype to explore it again.

Mechanically it came down to whether I wanted high Strength or high Charisma. High Strength is fun, but high Charisma has way more skills tied to it and thus many more opportunities to be helpful outside of combat. So I went that direction.

@Glitch Our little headshots make Glitch and Xáays look like brothers.

@Glamnarok Thanks for the additional background. By the way, Xáays already volunteered (ICly) to approach Margaret Telestrian, so Glam's suggestion comes off as duplicative.
GM
GM, 89 posts
Wed 18 Aug 2021
at 17:25
  • msg #75

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Xaays (msg # 68):

Summarize questions you want to ask, information you are seeking in OOC and I'll post the results in the IC thread. As it's mainly legwork and PBP we'll summarize and not play out every conversation
Glamnarok
player, 38 posts
Wed 18 Aug 2021
at 18:42
  • msg #76

Re: OOC Discussion

Xaays:
I had a long (internal) debate during chargen about whether to go ork (and focus on grappling) or elf (and focus on striking). I went with the latter not so much due to combat effectiveness but because I played a lot of orks in 5E but never any elves. My last elf was back in 4E so I decided to dust off the metatype to explore it again.

My last Shadowrun character was 3e...  I've played, 1e: Humie PhysAd, Humie StreetSam, Elven Decker; 2e: Elf StreetSam, Humie Rigger, Elf SocAdept; 3e: Dwarf PhysAdept Luchador, Humie Decker/Rigger, Dark Elf/Ghoul Phys/SocAdept Street Doc, Drake SocAdept Detective...

As I've never gone Trog, I decided this game's the game to Trog out in.  And may as well go the Face route and really play to the race's disadvantages.

quote:
High Strength is fun, but high Charisma has way more skills tied to it and thus many more opportunities to be helpful outside of combat. So I went that direction.

I understand, most of my "sammie" builds (cyber or Phys Adept) went 'precision', except for the Dwarf, he embraced the strength and went wrassler the whole way (with pistols back up, because he also never learned how rip people's limbs off from across the room).

quote:
By the way, X�ays already volunteered (ICly) to approach Margaret Telestrian, so Glam's suggestion comes off as duplicative.

I somehow missed that (like I read it, and then immediately forgot it), go ahead and chalk it up to the Troll not completely paying attention and losing track of things.
FreeMason
player, 29 posts
Wed 18 Aug 2021
at 22:37
  • msg #77

Re: OOC Discussion

Apologies for the delay in getting a post up. Work has been kicking my ass & I'm up to my eyes in DIY on a timer. Need to get several projects finished before mini-me arrives. Hopefully I'll get a post up after work tomorrow.
Glamnarok
player, 39 posts
Wed 18 Aug 2021
at 22:49
  • msg #78

Re: OOC Discussion

GM:
I was looking at the abilities of the die roller in terms of Shadowrun 6e. Unfortunately there is no custom rules set for this edition. It appears that the Shadowrun 4e rules will allow for the counting of hits but it misses two important options in regard to 6th edition.

1. The ability to roll a "Wild Die"
3. The ability to explode 6's

For this reason I suggest that we use the Shadowrun 4e rules but be aware that we will to manually explode 6's as necessary and that if a Wild Die is needed it should be rolled as a separate roll. If anyone has any better suggestions please let me know.

Okay, I was thinking about this just now (mostly because I was rereading the House Rules thread).

Step one, you should open the Die Configuration tool and Step Two set the Die Roller to d6s and "Record each die".  Step Three Profit "Set as Default".

That means we can set it to our dice pool, say 12d6 and a roll would look something like this*:

18:35, Today: Glamnarok rolled 52 using 12d6 with rolls of 5,6,6,4,1,1,4,4,6,3, 6,6.  Test.

Which I'd post in thread like so:

OOC:  18:35, Today: Glamnarok rolled 52 using 12d6 with rolls of 5,6,6,4,1,1,4,4,6,3,6,6.  Test.
6 Successes.


It also means you can designate "Last die is the Wild Die" and then treat it as so, occasionally rolling one more die as needed.  But we'd have to do that for Exploding Dice anyway.


* Okay, no lie, that was an awesome roll, I do not expect to ever get a roll that good here again.  Seriously, I just shot my load on a test.  *le sigh*
Xaays
player, 46 posts
Wed 18 Aug 2021
at 23:01
  • msg #79

Re: OOC Discussion

Glam is right that you should check the box for "Record each die". This is important. The GM can set this as the default.

Furthermore, in the "Game System / Special Dice" drop-down menu you can select "Shadowrun 4th ed" which will automatically count your successes for you. The GM can also select this by default.

One catch is that 4th Edition used 50% as your threshold for glitches, whereas it's 51% in 5th and 6th edition. So occasionally the dice roller will tell you that the roll was a glitch when it wasn't by 6E rules (e.g. six 1s when rolling a dozen dice). That's why the "Record each die" box is important, so you can count how many 1s you really have. It's also important if you need to reroll certain dice, or only count certain dice (like for the Wild Die), or if you're using Edge to tweak the value of a roll up or down.
Glamnarok
player, 40 posts
Thu 19 Aug 2021
at 00:44
  • msg #80

Re: OOC Discussion

Xaays:
Furthermore, in the "Game System / Special Dice" drop-down menu you can select "Shadowrun 4th ed" which will automatically count your successes for you. The GM can also select this by default.

Honestly, I wouldn;t bother with this until they set a 5e/6e setup.  It's easy enough to just count 1s, 5s, and 6s and know whether you've hit Threshold, Glitched, Critically Glitch, are Edging and Explode all over your sixes...
Xaays
player, 47 posts
Thu 19 Aug 2021
at 00:54
  • msg #81

Re: OOC Discussion

Well 5e launched 8 years ago and 6e launched 2 years ago so I'll be honest that I don't think those options are coming.

I think 60 seconds of work to set up the default configuration will more than repay itself after a couple rolls.
GM
GM, 90 posts
Sun 22 Aug 2021
at 07:00
  • msg #82

Re: OOC Discussion

Sorry all, busy last few days at work. Working on all the legwork results. Will have a post up tomorrow
Tu Bahd
player, 40 posts
Disciple of Osiris
Adept Marksman
Tue 24 Aug 2021
at 19:55
  • msg #83

Re: OOC Discussion

Damn I'm sorry too. I thought I'd posted here that I'd be gone for a surprise trip with my SO. My bad.

I'll get caught up.
Xaays
player, 49 posts
Tue 24 Aug 2021
at 20:05
  • msg #84

Re: OOC Discussion

You did. A week ago, last Tuesday.
Tu Bahd
player, 41 posts
Disciple of Osiris
Adept Marksman
Wed 25 Aug 2021
at 18:50
  • msg #85

Re: OOC Discussion

Xaays:
You did. A week ago, last Tuesday.



Oh great. Then I've been a good boy. Thank you :)
GM
GM, 91 posts
Thu 26 Aug 2021
at 20:03
  • msg #86

Re: OOC Discussion

Sorry for the slow posting. Been fighting sickness for the past two weeks
Tu Bahd
player, 43 posts
Disciple of Osiris
Adept Marksman
Thu 26 Aug 2021
at 21:54
  • msg #87

Re: OOC Discussion

Sorry buddy. Get well soon. Take the time you need to take :)
Xaays
player, 51 posts
Fri 27 Aug 2021
at 23:01
  • msg #88

Re: OOC Discussion

@GM Feel better soon!

@Everyone not named Glamnarok Can folks post a couple lines on their character descriptions (Character Details > Edit Description) with a high-level overview of your character's appearance? I can't remember some things which should be reasonably obvious ICly, like everyone's metatype.
Tu Bahd
player, 44 posts
Disciple of Osiris
Adept Marksman
Sat 28 Aug 2021
at 00:20
  • msg #89

Re: OOC Discussion

@X Yeah dude! I actually do that in every single game I play, but for some reason, this one slipped by me. I got you :)
FreeMason
player, 32 posts
Mon 30 Aug 2021
at 11:31
  • msg #90

Re: OOC Discussion

Xaays:
@Everyone not named Glamnarok Can folks post a couple lines on their character descriptions (Character Details > Edit Description) with a high-level overview of your character's appearance? I can't remember some things which should be reasonably obvious ICly, like everyone's metatype.


Will do, I'll get on it after work.
Tu Bahd
player, 46 posts
Disciple of Osiris
Adept Marksman
Tue 7 Sep 2021
at 18:43
  • msg #91

Re: OOC Discussion

Still haven't done that char description (don't mind me, we're moving to Italy from US so it's been fun!)

Recapping:
  • Glam is face (reporter)
  • Glitch is Overwatch
  • Freemason is face and magic support
  • Xaays is face
  • Tu Bahd is overwatch and not-face
  • Find map/layout/blueprint of building
  • See if some of us can find a way in via caterers, maintenance, etc to get equipment in
  • Some of you are hitting up some contacts?



Does that all seem right? Sounds like we might have to make some rolls soon!
FreeMason
player, 33 posts
Tue 7 Sep 2021
at 22:53
  • msg #92

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Tu Bahd (msg # 91):

Me neither, been putting a new floor in the family room. Work are sending me away on a course as well, that could go either way.

You don't want me as a face with Cha 2. I'm more of a merge into the background & feed intel type, with a little self defence face melting thrown in.
Xaays
player, 52 posts
Tue 7 Sep 2021
at 23:09
  • msg #93

Re: OOC Discussion

I think Tu Bahd's breakdown is accurate, evidently with the exception of FreeMason as a face.

Is the only thing we're trying to smuggle in a cyberdeck? Are we even certain that wireless-suppression would be a component of the security? I'm not sure if the high-and-mighty would tolerate it, even under the guise of security. Maybe Glitch has asked already, but if not I'll ask the GM since it might be covered under my Knowledge Skills.

GM has been offline for a week and a half. Hopefully they're feeling better and are back online soon.
Tu Bahd
player, 47 posts
Disciple of Osiris
Adept Marksman
Wed 8 Sep 2021
at 00:25
  • msg #94

Re: OOC Discussion

I can dig that. I hope GM is good too, but I was under the guise of this being a slow mover, so I'm a chiller.

Tu Bahd will do everything she can to work out if she can get at least one of her guns inside, but she won't die trying to.

I'll let it be known that she has Security Systems knowledge, so if there's any other knowledge we can lump together, we could potentially make it less work for GM.
Xaays
player, 53 posts
Wed 8 Sep 2021
at 00:34
  • msg #95

Re: OOC Discussion

I basically have the same one, with an extra noun ("Security Systems and Tactics"). I think I got the name from a previous edition; now that I look, I see that Tu Bahd's "Security Systems" is the example from the 6E book.

I also have an "Architecture (Commercial)" datasoft that may or may not apply depending on the definition of "commercial". In my head it would apply to a hotel but GM will have the final say.
Glamnarok
player, 46 posts
Wed 8 Sep 2021
at 05:04
  • msg #96

Re: OOC Discussion

Tu BahdDoes that all seem right? Sounds like we might have to make some rolls soon!</quote:
Rerecapping
  • Glam is Loud Obvious Face (distraction/reporter)
  • Glitch is Overwatch
  • Freemason is Sneaky Magic Support [not-Face]
  • Xaays is Sneaky Face
  • Tu Bahd is Sneaky Overwatch [not-Face]
  • Find map/layout/blueprint of building
  • See if some of us can find a way in via caterers, maintenance, etc to get equipment in
  • Some of you are hitting up some contacts?


I kinda made Glam around the idea of probably always being the distraction or the wall and letting everyone else get the subtle work done while our enemies are dealing with the Loud Obvious Distraction.


<quote Tu Bahd>I can dig that. I hope GM is good too, but I was under the guise of this being a slow mover, so I'm a chiller.

I'm willing to give the GM some time, I have no where to be.

quote:
I'll let it be known that she has Security Systems knowledge, so if there's any other knowledge we can lump together, we could potentially make it less work for GM.

Ah, no.  Not really anything useful here... FreeCal Fashion, Lone Star, Boston Organized Crime, and Gangs of Seattle (KnowSoft).
Xaays
player, 55 posts
Fri 17 Sep 2021
at 00:07
  • msg #97

Re: OOC Discussion

Well... it's been 3 weeks since GM was online. I checked baldin.stonecrusher's other games and found the same thing, namely no activity since August.

Certainly hoping for the best, especially if baldin was "fighting sickness" - which obviously can mean something pretty heavy these days.
Glamnarok
player, 49 posts
Fri 17 Sep 2021
at 01:29
  • msg #98

Re: OOC Discussion

Indeed.
Glitch
player, 29 posts
Male Elf
Mystic Adept Decker
Sun 19 Sep 2021
at 23:54
  • msg #99

Re: OOC Discussion

Hope GM is ok.
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