In reply to Glamnarok (msg # 24):

It’s not exactly something you spoof for a R4 SIN. If you do you will likely turn the SIN into an R1 or R2. Imagine that you are taking a flight and going through immigration. I have a US green card that required me to share my thumb print (biometric data) when I got it. When I go through immigration they take my thumb print and match it to the ID. If it doesn’t match I’m in trouble. Same here with the SIN, if you spoof the biometric data you really don’t have a SIN that will stand up to close inspection hence a rating of R1 or R2. R3 and above are generally needed for international flying. R1 and R2 might get you into the Pan Pacific if the doors aren’t coded to your biometric data.

You are welcome to drop a month of lifestyle to pay for a hacker to ensure the SIN installs cleanly

I look at SINs is this way

R1: Little to no true biometrics or persona history. Will get you into a club or past a cursory gate check that doesn’t back check the ID.
R2: Very much like R1 but more persona history. Will pass a light background check such as a credit check.
R3: True biometrics though likely a reduced amount of data points. Daily solid 5-10 year of history. Will get you through most immigration.
R4: Like R3 with less errors. Can live normally with an R4 SIN
R5: Good biometrics, will get you low level security clearance with most corps and government
R6: As good as it gets, good biometrics and full life history.  Can get high level security clearance on this bad boy.

On the Shadowrun Wiki site it describes the fake SIN ratings & roughly what they encompass. However, the sources all appear to be SR5 based.

If we're taking cues from Gattica, that's all spoofable.  Granted I didn't think about Gattica levels of biometric intrusiveness when buying gear, so I'll skip this for now...  But with nuyen comes opportunity.


Gonna need to be more than one month dropped... but I'll keep the U-Stor-It for a month as a "fallback safehouse", and a location to have shipped some of the gear (like the Gunsmith Workshop, not really taking that as 'carryon' now are we?  And the extra ammo, etc.  I'll make a quick list of what was shipped to the U-Stor-It and what's going through customs and drop it in a PM).



That is all good info.  Excellent, I think I'm pretty much now locked into the same page you're running from.

So what is an R4 SIN missing that a Corp sec clearance will be looking for that it wouldn't have?  Deeper databank saturation?

And if R3 has "true biometrics", I don't see what more an R5 could have over it.

And by "true biometrics", are you overlooking the spoofing of your own biometrics (cellular glove p278, retinal duplication p285, voice modulator p285, etc* - which granted I don't think any of su are doing right now)?



* "Etc" gets more complicated (or less if the writers had felt like getting into it, other CPunk games have done so, heck I think earlier editions of Shadowrun did as well - face changing cyberware, chem factories for breath analysis and mouth swabs), but with some thought and adaptability we could get that running.  Could already have if I'd have been thinking about it during gear buying, but it'll have to be future stuff now.  I ain't gonna slow the game down at this point, Glamnarok will have to just run into their lack of foresight and put it on a to do list, and hope quick thinking, a glib lie, and overwhelming firepower will keep the hunters of their back for a week or two...

In response to Glam’s comments

1. The difference between R4 and R6 can be many fold. In my estimation R4 will probably have 5-10 years of personal history to back up the persona, which may include maybe one or two faked references, address information, work history etc. There may be some holes in this data that a search algorithm could penetrate. On the biometric side there may be limited data points for a retinal scan, fingerprint scan or voice scan, which would limit certain searches again, but generally not a search that a regular salaryman would need to live his life. Travel, business and family life could all be conducted on an R4. For a military background check, high profile Corp position etc. you would need a full life history including schools, live references, etc. of utmost quality with few holes to be exploited (I’ve been through this process a couple of times)  and on the biometrics side an R6 would give you enough data point match to meet the requirements for military/high profile corp background checks.

2. You make good points about spoofing the biometrics. You can certainly use those implants and gear to create a different biometric profile but note that during an in person check you would not be allowed to wear gloves, the use of the retinal duplication is illegal and voice modulation requires a license. All of these add risk in certain situations where biometric verification is required. Your R3 spoofed SIN will contain a lot more anomalies from your natural biometric profile than your R6 and therefore you are less likely to be able to pass a bio scan when asked to remove gloves or turn off your voice modulation. My assertion of “true biometrics” is incorrect. Maybe “closer to natural profile” would be better. At R3 maybe you get 25 data points, 10 of which match your natural profile, but at R5 you get 50, 30 of which match the profile. Your R5 is going to pass more scans where you can’t use the spoofing devices based on percentage of match.

In reply to FreeMason (msg # 27):

I read through and think they are along similar lines. Thanks for pointing it out.

Copy.


Copy.

Posts may be limited. On vacation with family until Friday. Will try to keep up on my phone

In reply to GM (msg # 32):

Hope you have a good time with the fam :)

I can't post on my phone to save my life.

What time of year is it in-game? The initial caller said that Seattle was nice this time of year so I presume it's not the winter.

The reference to the Sonics makes me think the spring (early spring for regular season, late spring for playoffs), but of course that depends on if the basketball season follows the same calendar in the future.

Got my post up. Tried to keep it season-agnostic.

I was a little self-indulgent but I find the downtime between jobs to be a rich source of RP. The GM teed it up well (probably to keep us busy while on vacation) so I figured I'd hit it hard. This was a fun little writing exercise.

In reply to Xaays (msg # 35):

I agree!

Honestly, if I wasn't cramming to get this case study going in a week, I'd probably put more effort into it. Good stuff though, Xaays :)

Ok, back from vacation. Will get a post up tonight or tomorrow.

In reply to GM (msg # 37):

Cool beans!

I might be low on my posting availability myself soon. Got better half's birthday and a case study to complete.

In terms of game time I was thinking we're in early spring, March/April time frame as mentioned. In case that's of consequence to anyone.

Question about the premise, although unsure if this should be IC or OOC:

A - Is Mr. Johnson marketing us a team? So we go to the gala and it's an open secret (among the gala attendees) why we're there and one or more of them approaches us with that understanding in mind.

or

B - We're bait on the hook and Johnson is casting us into the gala to go fishing. We're responsible for drumming up work for ourselves and then slipping that info to the Johnson (who has 'paid' for the info up-front by flying us into town, putting us up in a luxury hotel, arranging nice clothes for the occasion, and generally putting us into a position to succeed that we wouldn't have been in otherwise).

If it's better to rephrase as an IC question I can do that.

In reply to Xaays (msg # 40):

I would ask that IC, it's a good question.

@Xaays good question.

And excited to get this going!

@DM besides us (the team) and the johnson, are there others in the room? Because Tu Bahd will ask about them otherwise.

In reply to Tu Bahd (msg # 42):

No, it's only you and Johnson in the room.

In reply to Xaays (msg # 40):

So the OOC answer is it's a little of both. You gather that certain factions (runners) are expected to be part of the gala. Your ability to blend in and maybe how you operate as a team are likely being evaluated by potential employers, but it will be your job to work the room and find employment it will not necessarily be handed on a platter to you. For putting you in this position Johnson is expecting to receive whatever info you can obtain.

Makes sense to me.

Good thing we're getting two days for those team building exercises... granted it's a social event, so the non-social types can either blend in the shadows or loom like bodyguards and leave the talking the social beasts.  Maybe plant some bugs on the other runners, and the clients.

In reply to Glamnarok (msg # 46):

Don't discount the value of astral and matrix cover in social situations. It may not be a run per se, but both positions can still be valuable to provide information on the fly to the faces during their negotiations.
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Yeah...was thinking Tu Bahd will take her edgelady ass into a corner and simmer at somebody, but the bugs sound like a better idea.

She wouldn't be afraid to chop it up, but there in is the issue, as she would fk that right up.

Thought Glam had face skills too.

@GM Great points

In reply to Tu Bahd (msg # 48):

To me the group partitions nicely in this situation. Glam and Xaays work the floor. Glitch and FreeMason provide the coverage. Tu Bahd provides physical protection for the decker and mage while also acting as backup muscle if things go south. Stick everyone on a closed team communications channel with the faces having sub-dermal or hidden mics/audio equipment and you have a team where everyone can contribute to the discussion/scene while each having a distinct role. Though I also like the idea of Tu Bahd contributing in a stealthy way planting bugs or tracking potential marks/threats.
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