A place to talk about the kind of game you want to play.

I've added two players so far..

Discuss among yourselves as to what part of the game you want to explore most..

I'm easy.

I am just now reading through the core book, so I don't have a lot to say as of yet. Is anyone settled on a character, either as general concept or fully-written?

Here's my very rough general concept


I was thinking of a young half elf who as a child was sold to an undertaker and made to work as basically a slave cleaning the bodies etc
One night after a beating he wished his owner would die.

The next morning his master was found dead next to a corpse who's hands were round his neck..... Fearing he would be tried for the murder he ran away..... Turns out he has an inbuilt ability to interact with the dead....

I was thinking half elf sorcerer with the path of the dead talent

How does he feel about being a 'necromancer' now - and how well-known is his talent?
This message was last edited by the player at 17:18, Thu 08 July 2021.

In reply to Player 1 (msg # 5):

He doesn't class himself as a necromancer he sees himself as a caretaker of the dead and goes from village and town tending the resent dead and carrying out their burials

I like that idea.

We'll see what other characters the others come up with, then think about the group dynamics and maybe start to talk about any common goals.

Then decide where you start off on the map.

We're up to four now: any ideas from #3 and #4?

#2: So something of a wandering mortician/ritemaster? (That sounds like the sort of thing that should have a recognized order or cult...)   What sort of skill set would you be looking at?

I was thinking about lore and empathy with a bit of manipulation..... Not a fighter but then not a push over either as his kin talent of psychic power makes his professional talent death magic quite powerful because he can use his WPs more effectively....

In reply to Player 1 (msg # 8):

mortician/rite master definitely like that description :)

I'm thinking of playing a halfling peddler or a Minstrel with healing and performance skills.

Between the half-elf and the halfling we'd have social dynamics covered pretty well. If #3 is also looking at that then maybe we could go for a more in-town troubleshooter group rather than ruin-delving sorts? Or #3 and I cover some of the rougher stuff. (At least to the point of making sure that we can actually get from town to town...)

Liking the concepts above, so I'm considering playing a Rogue and perhaps close kin to either #2 or #4, so either Half-Elf or Rogue. If its the former, then sold to the same mortician and veered towards Path of the Killer; if its the latter, then veering towards Path of the Face for some other types of skullduggery.

If neither work for folks, then happy to consider other options, perhaps a Dwarf Fighter
This message was last edited by the player at 13:16, Fri 09 July 2021.

I'm considering two options: a peddler or minstrel (whichever one #4 doesn't do!) if we're going for a completely town-focused group, or a hunter if we we want to be able to get around at all; leaning toward the latter regardless (because the skill set would still be useful and less likely to overlap).

In reply to Player 1 (msg # 14):

We could be the forbidden lands equivalent of Burke and Hare

Four of us, travelling from village to village, selling blessings and potions and solace for those recently passed

#4, have you decided which way you're going with the peddler/minstrel choice?

I will be creating a peddler.  The basic concept is a traveling tinkerer, traveling from villages to farms fixing tools.

Okay, so we're looking at a Sorcerer, a Peddler, a Rogue (or Fighter) and a Hunter (or Minstrel)?

Rogue/Minstrel would make it an entirely townie group with a lot of things to offer the locals (and someone to take a bit extra from them). They may run into trouble when it comes to surviving anything rough though (including travel).

Fighter/Hunter would make it look more like a typical adventuring band mix. Much better at handling danger, but not as much of a service troupe. Although I suppose that the dwarf could have a sideline in Performance (Bagpipes)? ;)

Rogue/Hunter (or Minstrel/Fighter) would be a midpoint between the two, and seems to be where we're leaning.


GM: Since you'll have to deal with the results, how do you feel about those options?
This message was last edited by the player at 23:17, Fri 09 July 2021.

Sounds like a nice, interesting group to me, whichever options you all go for.

Do either of #2 or #4 want to claim me as a brother?

In reply to Player 3 (msg # 21):

If he is a half elf then perhaps we were separated as young boys you were sold to the thieves guild and I to the mortician..... And we've either just found each other or we can do thst during the adventure......

I was thinking we could have been the survivors of a slave raid on our woodland village

Works for me!

Great are you older or younger.... Or are we twins

Let's shoot for twins. We can always bicker about who was first, since neither of us were old enough to remember properly
This message was last edited by the player at 11:58, Sat 10 July 2021.

If folks want a character sheet template:

<b>{Name}</b>, an <b>Age</b> <b>{Kin}</b> <b>{Profession}</b>

<i>Dark Secret:</i> ???
<i>Pride:</i> ???
<i>Reputation: </i> ?

<large><b>Appearance:</b></large> ???

<large><b>Attributes:</b></large> Strength ?; Agility ?; Wits ?; Empathy ?

<large><b>Skills:</b></large> Might (Str) ?; Endurance (Str) ?; Melee (Str) ?; Crafting (Str) ?;
 Stealth (Ag) ?; Sleight of Hand (Ag) ?; Move (Ag) ?; Marksmanship (Ag) ?; Scouting (Wit) ?;
 Lore (Wit) ?; Survival (Wit) ?; Insight (Wit) ?; Manipulation (Emp) ?; Performance (Emp) ?;
 Healing (Emp) ?; Animal Handling (Emp) ?

<large><b>Talents:</b></large>

<i>Name (Kin) ?: </i> ???

<large><b>Weapons:</b></large>

<large><b>Armour:</b></large>

<large><b>Gear:</b></large>

<large><b>Consumables:</b></large>
This message was last edited by the player at 11:57, Sat 10 July 2021.

In reply to Player 2 (msg # 24):

From your description earlier, are we pitching for Young?

Mine is young so you could be older if you wanted :)

"We're twins!"
"Twins? But you don't look anything alike!"
"Well, that's because we were born at separate times!"

- Grace and Favour

On a slightly more serious note, my impression of the setting is that it's mostly small/scattered thorps without enough of a population anywhere for local criminal gangs, much less a region-spanning "thieves' guild" - rogues are more the self-taught variety? (That also gives such individuals a good reason to be traveling around - you need to be gone before the locals realize that anything is amiss...)

In reply to Player 1 (msg # 30):

Ok because Alkin was young he didn't get away or you tried to drag him away from the village but you let go of his hand in the chaos. Thus you thought he was dead and being older you managed to live on the streets of a town / city learning to live off your wits and thieving skills.

While Alkin was sold to a mortician and raised a near slave to tend the bodies and prepare them for burial..... his was a brutal upbringing and he was beaten daily.

Just an idea to through into the mix

If he wanted a dark dark secret, maybe the rogue (getting an early start on his crime spree) colluded with the attackers. His sibling getting grabbed too wasn't supposed to be part of the deal...


Either way, it's years later and the slaver gang may not be around anymore. Perhaps there are a few left. Maybe just one or two now. And when he finally finds them? (Another good reason to travel. And to occasionally poke into places outside of the towns.)

#4: I'm currently looking at a wolfkin hunter. Maybe he and the peddler met at some point before joining up with the other two? They both have reason to be traveling, so they could end up in an expedition together, or one of them runs into the other en route to somewhere, or they even just happen to be in a town at the same time.

(The game really seems to like the "you meet someone in a cave while seeking shelter from a storm" - that one could be played for laughs if the peddler sought shelter and initially thought he'd walked in on some wild beast - might have been the first wolfkin they met!)

I like the idea of meeting in a cave.  My character probably failed his scouting roll and brought firewood to an occupied cave.  I was thinking of starting with the tanner talent so we could extend our relationship by my character as he could turn your pelts into leather and your meat into food with the cooking talent.

That would certainly be a good match! A little bit of time en route to somewhere - the map puts halflings/goblins and wolfkin in the southeast, mostly separated from everyone else by a mountain range, so they presumably headed around or through one of the passes - and then we met the half-elf brothers. Or maybe the brothers ventured into the southeast for some reason?

Could be a number of things that actually caused them to meet: trouble catches up to one (or more) of them, someone tries to rob a peddler, a haunting, an attack (maybe on a place they're all staying), etc.

Probably shouldn't have a second convenient cave meet, though!

In reply to Player 1 (msg # 32):

Going with Morin being Alkin's twin, but in the fight they were separated and Morin thought he was dead. He lived off his wits, stealing food - and coin - but never straying far from town, fearful of the mists and the beasts that ranged in the night. He was subtle and quick, relying on deft hands and fast feet when pranks and tricks and misdirection wouldn't work

Perhaps he and Alkin stumbled over one another when Alkin fled the town, seeking refuge in the (cave) where he slept?

Since they travelled together, ritemaster and gravedigger, helped with a few coin and supplies that folks haven't really needed

In reply to Player 3 (msg # 36):

sounds good with me :)

Liking the backgrounds and relationships very much! Nice to see the group working together on this.

I'm busy tomorrow (got a football match to get in the mood for), but Monday I'll read over everything more thoroughly and see about posting some rumours you all may have heard on your travels.

Any ideas where abouts on the map you might want to start. Thinking about where a wolfkin might have been encountered.

East of Lake Mill, close by the bay and heading northward along the coast. It's north / north-east of the halfling-dominated plains and skirting past the goblin-infested Shroud into Aslene territories?

I haven't the eyesight to see the map and my character probably relies on his wolvenkin friend for most navigatio  outside halfling lands. Anywhere is good so long as its not a desert.

The one issue with heading northeast is that the Aslene really don't like wolfkin...

On the other hand, there's another village just west of Lake Mill, and another one north of that, so we could be heading that way from the bay-head village, along the riverbanks (which makes it harder to get completely lost) toward Moldena?

That does mean passing through goblin lands, but we have a halfling with us, so that should be okay. Or preferably just don't run into them at all. ;)
This message was last edited by the player at 22:01, Sat 10 July 2021.

Another option is the other side of the mountains, further west, but that’s Orcs everywhere

To avoid too much gear duplication (we don't want to find ourselves packing four large tends), who is picking up what group-relevant gear (particularly stuff that gives travel benefits)?

I suspect that the peddler-chef will have a field kitchen or cauldron, and we should probably have a large tent (or two small ones) and a flint and steel - though I'm not sure if those benefits stack.

The hunter will probably have a bear trap, and I'm sure that our rogue will have lockpicks; fishing gear could be useful if we do end up primarily operating near waterways. We'd have to make a point of going slow (only travel during one quarter day) if we want to do much resource collection en route though.

I hav3eb't read the whole ruleset yet but cooking tools I would buy.

Lock picks, snares and a fishhook and line

So the hunter now has a large tent, flint&steel, and a bear trap. That and other gear is a decent bit of weight, but still manageable.

I chose a staff but it will actually be a shovel...... What else would Alkin have for digging up bo...... I mean digging graves

Shovels are actually hidden down in the tool section. A mere 2 silver!

I'm sure that travelers would find other uses for a shovel. Burying bodies comes to mind. Totally not ones that are our doing, of course.
This message was last edited by the player at 11:32, Sun 11 July 2021.

Having rolled fairly badly for silver, Amorim will be borrowing his brothers shovel until he has time to steal one

That's kind of expected among the adventuring group. The hunter isn't carrying a 6-person tent just for their own use!

I'm not sure offhand what sort of components a death-sorcerer needs but that should probably be your focus. (If you can get a half-decent weapon for when things invariably go sideways, that's nice too.)

Something else that occurs to me is that we'll probably want sleeping furs before the seasons turn cold*. However, between hunting and tanning we should be able to produce those ourselves as long as we get SOME chance to work on it (a day or two would be enough, possibly when we're otherwise lounging around a town somewhere).

* I am assuming that the campaign will start in some other season, because picking midwinter as the perfect time to start venturing out would be silly.

Absolutely - I had the same thought, but started Morin off with a blanket, given backstory. Acquiring kit and supplies for the winter, together with a decent weapon and even armour, is a sound plan

Spell components are mostly blood, bones, bits of corpses and animals
This message was last edited by the player at 12:40, Sun 11 July 2021.

What skillset does everyone have at this point?

The hunter is very focused on the core "get around and take prey": 3 Survival, 2 Scouting, 3 Marksman, and Path of the Forest. I'm still waffling between choosing an archery-related or travel-related talent as the free choice.

Alkins skills are

Sleight of hand: 1
Lore: 3
Insight:2
Manipulation: 2

As he's aged young he only gets one general talent so I used the option of turning it into a professional path and so his talents are path of death (rank 2) and psychic power which is his kin talent

Gone for Sleight of Hand 2, Manipulation 2, a smattering of skills at 1, and then Path of the Face and Fast Footed. Intending to pick up a crafting or journeying Talent when he has the chance

Are we allowed to startwith a rank two talent?

Currently for skills I was thinking Craft 3, Melee 1, insight 3, Manipulation 3.

In reply to Player 4 (msg # 56

Under talents page 33 it states that you can forgo a general talent to increase another talent to rank 2

That might be an issue though: Kin and Class talents are given separate entries from General ones, so bumping a class one to rank 2 at chargen might not be valid?

The text and example say its valid.

No, that's fine. You can sacrifice a general talent to increase a Profession one to rank 2.

Gear bonuses for Making Camp won't stack, it would be whichever gear gives the highest bonus that will be counted. But there can be other uses for different gear such as Flint & Steel if you want to start fires for reasons other than making a cosy camp fire.

For rolls to avoid getting Cold, then everyone will need appropriate clothing of course.

And, yeah, I'm not going to have you start out in the middle of winter, after all, that would be mean...

To make things easy, I'm thinking we will pick up on the first day of Summer.

I've gone with Fast Shooter as the third talent, mainly because Path of the Forest will help to cover for the inevitable bad rolls while getting from place to place.


We also need relationship lines, so... what impression might everyone's characters create on the others?

In my case (I'm still deciding on a name), you know that this young wolfkin has left his clan in the Fangwoods, but denies being an outcast. He's a good tracker and pathfinder, and doesn't seem to revel in bloodlust the way that some wolfkin are reputed to, although he still has a preference for raw meat over cooked which some might find disturbing.
This message was lightly edited by the player at 14:05, Mon 12 July 2021.

Given the strong Manipulation skills elsewhere in the party, I'm reducing Morin's and beefing up other skills a bit instead - probably Sleight of Hand to 3 and Stealth to 2

With that in mind...

- He feels some sympathy for the 'not outcast' wolfkin, imagining a similar struggle to survive on the outskirts of the clan/village
- His relationship to Alkin is clear, if complicated. Blood is thick, but guilt too. He's impressed with his brother's knowledge and fairly inured to the necromancy, having made his own sacrifices to survive
- He's somewhat jealous of our peddlar, from a material wealth and skill with their hands perspective.

In terms of how folk might perceive him...

- He's not very knowledgeable, about the world or the people in it, though he's not very trusting so its naivety in a particular sense
- He's deft and swift, nervous about staying still
- He's not especially manipulative, but he can do a mean impression of other folks mannerisms and appearance
- He honours the Nightwalker - the Untamed Trickster - and Wail - the Air Goddess

While we wait for #2 and #4 about relationships, is there anything else that still needs to be addressed?

Just ensuring that everyone has a character sheet with relevant info and a name...

I am busy for another four hours.  I am thinking about relationships and roles (and dark secrets).

How does the peddler come across in a casual meeting? Is there anything different that would become evident after traveling with him for a while?

Did we lose people already? :/

I think we can give them a few more days.

Sorry guys we lost power here and I had to charge the tablet before I could login.

As for relationships Copper (my character name) feels that his Wolven friend is his protector. He has no knowledge of how to survive but the basics and wants to make sure that he's happy.

The Half Elven priest makes Cooper nervous because Copper's uncle was a druid and accidentally summoned a demon. His uncle was able to banish it but there's no guarantee that this half elf can do the same.

Cooper believes that the  Rogue's lack of honsty can get in the way of making a good deal, which is important to Copper as he values honesty very much. Copper would never cheat his friends.

As time goes by, you would notice a difference as the halfling feels more secure. They would also noticed that Copper is not terribly concern with making money, only survival

Has everyone decided on a name? Have you completed your characters yet?

Jabari (one of the names from the book).

Believe we've Jabari, Cooper, Alkin and Morin

Done on my sheet

Did someone else pick up flint and steel?  My equipmet list consists of:

1 Field kitchen
  Field kitchen
3 Lantern
- Lantern oil
4 Sling
- Knife
5 Waterskin
6 Food
7 Lantern oil
- Rocks
8

- Backpack
- Simple clothes
- Needle and thread
- Chalk
- Flint and steel
- Map
- 4 copper

Alkin's is provision since we haven't heard back from him yet, but following the examples in the quickstart...


(R-Alkin) He is cursed with a dangerous power, but seeks to help rather than to do harm with it. This is a good sign. Maybe it will strengthen him enough to control the curse?

(R-Copper) He relies on me to survive in the wilds. All that I know says that this is weakness, but I rely on him to survive in the towns...

(R-Morin) Loyal to his brother, but twitchy and untrusting, as if he knows that his past has his scent. What will he do when it finds him?
This message was last edited by the player at 15:17, Fri 16 July 2021.

N Longbow  (2H, +2/1, Long)

N Bear Trap
T Flint & Steel
H Large Tent
* Quiver

* 3 silver

Basic containers and clothes are assumed (although Jabari wears less of the latter than the rest of you probably do).

I haven't settled on what else to get with the remaining silver, if anything. It'll depend a bit on whether we'll be starting in a town or in the middle of the wilderness.
This message was last edited by the player at 23:26, Fri 16 July 2021.

The book says you get a waterskin and backpack.  I bought my clothes.

Oof. So everyone needs to shell out 15 copper (unless they want to wear rags for 5), and judging by that table, that still doesn't give you any footwear (3 silver more)? And very few people will start with enough silver to afford that even if they don't buy anything else.

Well okay, there goes most/all of the silver...



I looked at the game's forums, and according to this: https://forum.frialigan.se/vie...p;t=4054&p=32553

Characters are considered to start with simple clothes automatically: question #4 answered in the first reply and confirmed by an admin right after.
This message was last edited by the player at 00:42, Sat 17 July 2021.

I'll let everyone start with basic clothing and footwear. But anything that offers a gear bonus must be bought.

Yeah, some of the other posts there indicate that 'clothes' includes matching shoes/boots/sandals/etc. The (expensive) "boots" from the equipment list are heavy hiking boots, hence the forced march benefit.


Now, even if we don't need to buy clothes, having a spare set between us might not be a bad idea - mishaps can ruin them, for one thing.

Hi all been a bit busy will post tomorrow

No worries.

We'll aim to start sometime next week.

Can everyone make sure there is a completed copy of your character sheet in the Character Details section please?

Also, can you put a brief (please) description of your character in that section also - this is the public bit that all players can see, so only put something that would be obvious to someone looking at or talking to your character.

Any issues, just message.

My character now has a description, courtesy of another.
This message was last edited by the player at 15:44, Tue 20 July 2021.

Description compelte, sorry

No problem.

Just need Alkin to put up their description and we'll be ready to roll.

I'm going camping for a few days, but I hope to post something before the end of the weekend to get us started.

Sorry for the delay..... Description up and character posted

Excellent, thanks!

Okay, so I'll post an opening scene over the weekend to start you all off.

I'm planning on having you start in the hex Ae44 just outside the village there. I'll post more on it soon.

The western Bellifar village - halfling lands!

With a castle and a ruin nearby if we want to go spelunking. (Because we're so well suited to fighting monsters with this group!)

Okay, so my 1st post is up. There is a map for reference too.

You stand to the east of the village on the outskirts of the fields a few hundred yards from the village walls.

Apologies, will post in a few hiurs

I'll post an update on Monday, but feel free to interact with each other until then.

Sorry.  Dialysis kicked my ass this week.  Will respond shortly.

No rush, I wasn’t trying to hassle I just wanted to pop a response to our furry friend in :)

No probs Copper. I'll hold off until you've had time to reply. No hurry though, I'm pretty busy this week too. :)

I'll update tomorrow. Cooper can post when able.

Apologies work has been hectic as I am on 2 weeks annual leave from next week so need to make sure all is in order on my projects to hand over

Will post later today.

I'll update tomorrow.

So I'm back from the hospital. I fainted and I bet injured my eyes. I can't see well enough to read Walmart and I have to drop out of the campaign. I apologize really wanted to play .

I'm sorry to hear that. Hope you recover soon.

I will post later this week everyone, just been very busy at work and at home too.

Will post later got to our holiday cottage to find the Internet not working so had to call a, man out

Should we try to find a replacement player for Copper, or would we rather recruit for new characters? He could carry on a an NPC in the meantime; having him just suddenly up and wander off might stress the group a bit.

I can NPC him for a little while.

Apologies, just a busy end to the week. I'll post asap and move us on.

Just posted.. Though I am on holiday for a week from Monday, so may not be able to post much from 30 Aug to 5 Sept.

Back from vacation, hopefully post in the next day or two.

I figured that I'd give everyone else a chance to post first, but since no one has...

I think I'm going to call a halt to the game, as there haven't been any replies for a while...

Unfortunate, but yeah, it seems to be down to you, me, and Alkin.

hi there

apologies for my part I've had to pick up the slack at work with a number of people moving on to new jobs  and my wife and I have finally after 30 years of designing buildings for others have got round to designing our own house. This took a lot of time and effort to get through planning .....more time and effort than I thought possible.

Thankfully we star building next month.

Iam sorry if my absence has lead to the game closing that was never my intention.

Jason

Apologies here, too; my startup's had a big investment and now I have work coming out of my ears. This is good, for work, but less so for any free time