In reply to Nefertari Panthea (msg # 6):

Difficulty in this situation is you need a prince to pass judgemnt and a sherrif to carry it out. i would think the best option from point of view of camamrilla is to capture them (perhaps torpor to be safe) if possible and await a prince election or request an archon to attend and pass judgment.

If they do escape then that can certainly be a goal of the coterie to track them down and see them brought to justice :D

Also to note once again, Anarchs only follow the tradition of upholding the masquerade and elysium. so the anarch elders have definitely breached but technically Asha has yet to breach any laws of her sect and as pointed out has yet to actually kill the prince though that is the mostly likely outcome here. there is no where stated that one cant be executed from being disrepectful though the keeper or sherrif may request or forcibly remove them from elysium. Violence is still forbidden to the prince in elysium and Asha did not actually start any violence. elsyisum is filled with social sparring and politics etc. literally one of the reasons they are used so kindred can voice their opinions wihtout fear of being immediately struck down haha

If possible could we vote though rather than abstaining so i know what i am doing as a player? its more player vote than character haha

Please read back to my post. I’m waiting for others.

Law is All involved and Asha is involved plus the cause for the Prunce to loose her temp by the way she spoke to the Prince.

Asha did definitely breach it though, just because she hasn't harmed anyone that doesn't mean that what she did/is doing is acceptable in any way by Kindred standards. That being said I am in the same boat as Nefertari, all guilty parties should be executed, especially because they are all Elders and by virtue of their age they should 'realistically' know not to do this etc.

I'm a little ambivalent about making a choice and would like to abstain. I, OOC, am fine with anything we choose to do.

Also on the table; I could also reroll my character if you guys feel that the Reverend is far more trouble than he's worth. I love him, but I feel somewhat that none of this would have happened if I had not convinced the Prince to take on the rather insane idea of treating the Sabbat like normal kindred.

The Reverend is perfect. Please don’t kill him off his humanity is what she likes.

He did nothing wrong. And your speech only made the Prince think but her words was clear if you failed then she will take it in her hands. She might of killed you then. lol

Asha’s mannerism her tone and attitude was not in the right standard for meeting the Prince. As her first post was derogatory.

All i can do is apologize as a player that my experience of Anarchs through out my personal history of world of darkness was very different or perhaps atypical compared to your experiences. I played Asha as i have always played anarchs, and seen them played as players and NPC's. Happy to agree to disagree on the point of guilt for the insults but Asha is going to kill the prince so at that point yeah execution is definitely required and as player thats absolutely fine and i have no issue with this whatsoever. I just don't want everyone to think i came into the game expecting to have her be excecuted on first session or tryign to mess up or break the game and unfortunately the topic raised (brilliantly with a very awesome character concept that i demand Throckett keep playing ;)) is in direct contradition to her thoughts.

I already messaged to ST yesterday so will put it before you all as well. As  aplayer i didn't forsee or want this kind of mess to happen and do not want this game ruined. I came here to have fun and share in a story and adventure with you all inside and outside of the characters. Thats being said we a re ina position because i played my character how i felt she would react and the consequences are accepted though i do not like the position this seems to have put you all in as players.

If you feel that you would prefer i not play in the game or have doubts about my intentions coming into the game and going forward please say so and i will step down and someone hopefully more suitable and amicable for you can be recruited and take my place if thats what the group feels that this the game needs. I would ask you be honest about this and there won't be hurt feelings or anything taken personally as unfortuantely sometimes groups don't mesh and i do not wish to be a proverbial spanner in the works or rock in the shoe for any of you as you try to enjoy the game.

I have already made a camarilla character and would love a chance to start again and prove that im not just trying to troll everyone as player and do want to play and cooperate with you all ( in so far as power hungry kindred can) as I like the characters and players and forsee it could be a very interesting game. Once again i leave it in your hands though coz its better i drop than people feel the game cannot be enjoyed if i am in it.

i will post up the execution in a minute and then what will happen will happen. Even if a decision is made for me to leave the game I do wish you all an excellent chronicle and whole heartedly apologize again if my experience and conduct as a player has impacted the enjoyment of the game for you.

Also throckett: Please do not stop playing that character it is super awsome and I would be a hypocrite of the highest degree if i said or felt you were wrong to play your character as they would certainly act. Your arc will possibly be the most drama filled and personally impactful as you traverse and delve deeper into the inky blackness of kindred unlife and society and it will be a hell of a ride and i am greatly interest in how much humanity he has retained and how unblemished his faith is :D

In reply to Asha (msg # 14):

You have nothing to apologize for.  You played your character, the Prince grossly overreacted.  There is no blame on anyone.  Indeed, the whole situation I've seen played out often in my 30+ years of gaming.  You did nothing wrong.  As a Player, I would have serious problems with you, the Player, being asked to leave.  Nor do I think that anyone is asking that.  To the best of my understanding, we are just debating on our impressions of what should happen to Asha.

Side note, I like everyone's character, as a Player.  They are all interesting, and I would not change any of them.
This message was last edited by the player at 14:30, Sun 21 Nov 2021.

There is no need for you to leave the game, that was never suggested.  Just that Asha was uncontrollable and her actions caused all this to escalate.  Never have I seen a Kindred under 200 years bold enough to speak to a Prince.  Let alone assume that they would live.

I as a Player wish for you to stay and create a new character.

My character wish for ALL involved to meet Final Death.

Thank you, i was uncertain if it was just the characters reactions or if players were also displeased. My last post as Asha is up so feel free to pursue or hold back and plot hjer demise as required. My new character is just awaiting approval from ST and is definitely on the side of the Camarilla so no social faux pas like that from her.
This message was last edited by the player at 14:58, Sun 21 Nov 2021.

What Clan is your new character from ?

Ravnos but she is very toreador in personality and is happy for other to assume this about her. IC she never introduces herself by clan where possible and wishes to be judged by her contribution and actions in the Camarilla.

Honestly, that could just as easily have been a plot by a Primogen.  Particularly as they might know of Asha's propensity to shoot her mouth off, and the Prince's lack of self control and likely good to overreact.

Oh yeah there are many ways you could write this that makes perfect sense in hindsight within the world. YLike they bring in a mouthy sect veteran who gained status from her efforts then also bring in a priest who retains very high humanity and abhors violence and always seeks out the peaceful option. Also consider that the sherrif is also clearly very opinionated about the Sabbat so it could cause division in the court itself, especially if the primogen knew that Sasha often prefers path of least resistance where possible.

We will see how it unfolds :)

Asha, my only concern about your final post in the game was the gun. What type of hand gun is able to decapitate?  You might of got a shot off but the Prince also has a chance to Dodge or use any of her other Disciplines that might harden her skin and the bullet will bounce off.

I would understand that you got a good shot off in the back of her head or the neck but she still be mortally wounded.

fair point, ST said it was up to Asha to kill her but  i have removed the decaptitaitn bit and everything after pulling trigger in case ST does wnat her to make a break for it. not going to lie, don't know much about guns in real life outside of movies etc. i would therefore change it to a bullet in the base of the spine and the incendiary quality would make the damage aggravated so maybe it might just make her torpor? we shall see :)

@ST want me to roll dex + firearms for an oppossed check?
This message was last edited by the player at 15:41, Sun 21 Nov 2021.

Okay, since Asha won the contest roll, how do you guys feel about keeping her around as a potential villain for later (so her player can still play her when the time is right)?

I'm all for keeping Asha around as a potential ally, adversary, or dubiously neutral person for later development.

I’m fine with it. But she must remember what is not done for her to know can’t be shared from Emily’s gaming. I would like to have a villainess that I will have to tame later. lol

On other matters, did the Prince survive and if so can we continue there for I have things in play.

I do understand the difference between IC and OOC knowledge and not to meta game haha.

Equally I'm happy for Asha to vanish or be played by St later. Being villainous is often fun.

Rook we still good though right?

Oh, Sasha's dead too. We'll move on to the next once everyone's had a say.

Then It can be settled by turning her into a NPC under the control of the ST unless someone has any objections

I think it's just best for Asha to be npc under St control so I can't get in trouble for anything she does later in game haha

I have the new character so best I just play Emily now otherwise peope will always question everything asha does and wonder if meta play involved as this issue and worry has been clearly communicated above.

Pretty sure we should be fine to continue and Nefcan proceed with her posts re the dead Prince in her hands.

In reply to Asha (msg # 29):

Of course.