I'm putting 2 points positive in the Prince of Shadows and 1 point negative versus the Lich King

This may change day by day according to the Ballads I sing

As far as backgrounds are concerned, I'm taking Wandering Musician, Jester and Firework Exhibitionist (the last being linked to my one unique thing)

Seeing as we're sharing, here's an excerpt from my character sheet (pending GM approval)...

Backgrounds
 - Thief (5) - "I'm an acquirer of things. If that means overstepping a few boundaries, picking a
few locks or taking thing or two that don't, strictly speaking, belong to me...well, so be it."
 - Dungeon Architect (4) - "I've spent years building lairs, dungeons, crypts and hideaways for
my masters and mistresses. Reckon I know a thing or two about how to dismantle them too."
 - Monster Wrangler (3) - "Someone has to clean out the hydra pens and feed the owlbears."
 - Occult Dabbler (3) - "Is it my fault the masters keep leaving their research out for anyone
to peruse at their leisure? I might know a thing or two about things mortals probably shouldn't."

Icon Relationships
Prince of Shadows (1, Positive)
The Diabolist (1, Positive)
The Three (1, Positive)

Backgrounds get only 8 points to distribute, revise those, please.

8pts distributed to:
Dungeon Architect (4)
Monster Wrangler (3)
Occult Dabbler (1)

Bonus 2 in Occult Dabbler from Cunning Rogue Talent
Bonus 5 in Thief from Thievery Rogue Talent
This message was last edited by the player at 19:32, Sat 04 Dec 2021.

Gotcha, I missed the Cunning talent. Thanks for spelling it out to me. Your set to go.

As for equipment, take what the book says + reasonable gear you'd have when you venture out to a trek like this.

I'm scared of those rolls in the Icons.

Vander speaking Cantrips at his sleep? Love it :)

Oh my.  I love that you've used artflow for Tristan's picture Mr GM sir.

In reply to Logresia Skrieven (msg # 68):

I discovered artflow recently and have a tiny but constantly growing library of portraits. That site is a blessing for GMs.

In reply to Game Master (msg # 69):

I've been using it to illustrate some of my poems and lyrics, and I've created my avatar for another game, which I'm hoping rpol will let me use.

Sorry, I missed the request to talk about it. I assumed this was mostly a formality and that we're not really considering not taking this mission.

Why would we not take it?

Just need to discuss payment and any cost of healing the party for their services.

In reply to Doherti (msg # 71):

No problem, I didn't get the vibe you wanted to talk about it in private either. I read it so that the there was a question of what your party benefits from taking the task, if anything.

We wouldn't not take it, that's my point.


Ok. I didn't mean not to support that in my post. Neither of those needs occurred to me.

I'm curious, though: what fee, if offered, would be enough that your character wouldn't hesitate - yet wouldn't also have questions about why the amount offered is so high?

How does what Vander just did work in concert with Doherti's tracking? Or does it supplant mundane methods?

Supplants, looks like.

I have some information to provide while we're following the magical tracker, but I don't have time to craft a good post at the moment.

I'm wracking my brain trying to work out what, exactly, Vander is doing here.

You've mentioned Arcane Mark as part of it and High Arcana, particularly in reference to performing Rituals in rounds rather than minutes, but as far as I can tell that's the Champion level Feat for your Ritual Magic feature, which you shouldn't have access to yet (the mention of the High Arcana talent in the Ritual Casting rules is, I figure, a typo or holdover from development, given that the High Arcana Talent doesn't make mention of it itself and the reference itself is very vague. It's a moot point because the casting time isn't at issue here, but I thought it worth mentioning). Either way I don't see how either might apply and this effect doesn't feel like any 1st level spell you might have prepared to cast as a Ritual.
The closest I've got is either Utility Spell, of which the best fit I can see is the 3rd lvl. Message , or Cantrip Mastery letting you expend a 3rd lvl. spell slot to enhance a Cantrip effect beyond its normal scope. That or Polysyllabic Verbalisations, but I'd personally expect something more...verbose!

Whichever way I look at it, this isn't something Vander should be able to do without (A) being higher level or (B) GM fiat. Either way is cool, but I just feel like I'm missing something. Am I the only one scratching my head?

LOL

Not at all, but I was also concern about Vander's Saves
AC-13, PD-13, MD-15

I thought it had to be rounded down, with a 15 it would mean he has a +10, so that was also something I been scratching my head on.

???

Wizard has 12+Lvl+(middle of Int/Wis/Cha mod) MD, which would mean they have something like (I'm guessing) Int: 18 (given they rolled at +5 on an Int+Lvl check, Wis: 14, Cha: 10, giving them a middle score of +2 on their base 12+1(lvl), for that MD:15. Looks kosher to me.
This message was last edited by the player at 12:37, Tue 07 Dec 2021.

I'm guessing I did mine wrong then.  Sorry. and thanks for that breakdown.

OMG, I see that a Wizard has better MD than a Sorceress.  WOW what a jump in bonuses.


And I see I forgot to add my Level to my save.  Thanks Jobol
This message was last edited by the player at 12:58, Tue 07 Dec 2021.

In reply to Jobol Harguld (msg # 78):

Using ritual magic, one can expand on the use of a preexisting spell. Arcane Mark allows you to create a mystic symbol on something that only you can see, like a card for example.

Using a ritual, and an object, further improved by cantrip mastery, I can mark someone via an object that has a connection to it. Sympathetic magic lore is typical of mythology. Because I can sense my mark, and now the mark is on the boy, I can  track the boy via his spoon.

Also, if you read the ritual magic rules, it mentions high arcana wizard talent as a way to reduce casting times for rituals. I have not seen any errata in refrance to that by the writers of the rules.
This message was last edited by the player at 13:51, Tue 07 Dec 2021.

Ritual Magic is very open ended and vague on purpose to allow creative uses of the spells. The guideline is to do something within spell's realm, but more powerfully with time.



While description of the ritual effect here was very clever, even with Ritual Magic turning the spoon into a flying guide to locate a missing person/object (by a 1st level wizard) stretches it too far in my opinion, so I'm not allowing it. It's not within the Cantrip's scope or spirit, IMO.

Since this is first time using Ritual Magic here and we're creating a baseline of sorts, allowing this now would make spell-users way, way too powerful! Vander, if you'd like to revise your post and tone it down, I'm willing to work with something else, something related to information gathering, for example? (sympathetic magic).

Also, allowing this would diminish non caster classes and in this case completely overshadow another player with a ranger who's specialty is tracking.

Regarding High Arcana, text on p.194 (Faster rituals) doesn't limit it to Champion tier BUT if you look p.148 (Ritual Magic) it is indeed a Champion tier feat. Same is said on the online SRD, so that must be how it should be used. That's a good catch, I wasn't aware of this!

Also, I rule now that when performing a ritual with a Cantrip, it will consume 1st level or higher spell.

Like somebody of you said, this is a learning process, and not least for me, not having running 13th Age before.

I had a big ol' response written up, but our GM beat me to the punch.

For what it's worth, Vander, I truly do applaud your attempt at creative use.

My advice would be to look at other powers, spells and abilities and use them as a guideline for what a Cantrip should or shouldn't be able to achieve, even with Cantrip Mastery and Ritual use.

In reply to Game Master (msg # 83):

I would point out our ranger discovered a whole new Avenue of information that my ritual had no way of knowing. Which is the way it should be.

Not to mention if all I am doing is an alternate form of tracking, which is what it is, the two methods complement each other.

I am more than happy to use up one of my spell slots to make this work.