In reply to Verik (msg # 52):

The best place to look is message 4 of this thread; there's a full list that I try to update when anyone finds tokens or token information.

In reply to September (msg # 54):

Speaking of which, Verik just won the poison-tasting competition and earned two hundred tokens from it, so you'll have a lot of stuff to add to the list soon enough, September.

Is there even any token left for you to earn, outside the heart, club, clover and scarab?

Banana, Bridle, Helmet, Glasses, and Vest, though I was going to have September pick those up from the gambling.

Oh!  Related note-- we have the full set of card game hall tokens now, but does September need to track down everyone else before playing to get the tokens from them?  I haven't been tracking who's carrying what.

I'm willing to waive that and allow that you "just happen" to have distributed the tokens among your team so that everybody has the tokens at hand that they need, with you having those necessary to engage in the card games and Halasik, Banner and Verik having those needed to access the greenhouse. So, you can assume that September has what you need him to have.

Not gonna deny I'm pretty pleased with myself, here is my token haul.  And I didn't even need to be resurrected!

Bold for ones I didn't get, italic for ones I didn't get but we can randomly.

1 Heart 0
2 Coin 0
3 Club 0
4 Sword 0
5 Tree 5
6 River 1
7 Flame 2
8 Mountain 1
9 Ingot 4
10 Ram 4
11 Hammer 2
12 Leaf 2
13 Crab 3
14 Claw 3
15 Beehive 2
16 Feather 0
17 Snake 3
18 Flag 3
19 Clover 0
20 Cup 2
21 Teardrop 0
22 Bell 2
23 Book 2
24 Scarf 0
25 Glove 3
26 Crown 1
27 Cross 0
28 Dice 3
29 Bridle 1
30 Paw 3
31 Staff 3
32 Wheel 1
33 Axe 3
34 Rope 0
35 Skull 2
36 Hourglass 1
37 Whip 3
38 Tower 4
39 Star 4
40 Sun 1
41 Moon 4
42 Trumpet 2
43 Cloud 1
44 Hoof 0
45 Horn 1
46 Tail 2
47 Turtle 2
48 Web 2
49 Carrot 3
50 Egg 3
51 String 1
52 Bone 4
53 Gem 2
54 Fork 2
55 Banana 1
56 Rose 2
57 Lily 0
58 Iris 3
59 Magnolia 3
60 Ivy 3
61 Lemon 2
62 Spear 2
63 Helmet 1
64 Eye 3
65 Vortex 6
66 Boot 0
67 Ladder 1
68 Arrow 4
69 Mirror 4
70 Fist 3
71 Chain 3
72 Balloon 3
73 Blanket 3
74 Shield 1
75 Bag 3
76 Flask 5
77 Thunderbolt 1
78 Apple 1
79 Bullseye 1
80 Ant 2
81 Lamp 1
82 Bread 3
83 Grapes 0
84 Anchor 1
85 Hat 1
86 Glasses 1
87 Pendant 3
88 Cloak 0
89 Vest 2
90 Belt 3
91 Quiver 2
92 Chest 3
93 Skirt 2
94 Gauntlet 1
95 Corset 2
96 Shoes 2
97 Map 3
98 Ring 5
99 Knife 1
100 Winged 0

Sorry it looks like that, didn't have the patience or know-how to make a table.

Alright, updated.

I am travelling, and will probably not be able to post for the next ~2 days (I might be able to get in a quick post from my cell phone, but probably nothing more than that until Monday or Tuesday).

Noted, and thank you for letting us know, Halasik.

As well, since it seems that nobody else will be trying their hand at it, I'll explain the meaning of the symbols on the token, for my own amusement if nothing else.

As Halasik correctly identified, the first four are based on the four suits, sort of; you might have noticed that, while Clubs and Hearts match the french set, I also have Swords and Coins, which are actually two of the suits in the italian/tarot set. I did that mostly because I didn't want to give preference to one of the two type of card suits over the other, and also because, this way, I got to make both the Heart and the Sword tokens unique and special, which I really wanted to do.

The elemental set is indeed based on the five oriental elements, as Halasik also correctly identified. I knew I wanted an elemental set for the particular thing this combination allows access to, and given I had 100 slots to fill, going for the set that has one extra element felt like the superior choice.

Next, the Horoscope combination is based on the western horoscope signs; of course, while some of these match easily (Ram is the Ram, Crab for the Cancer, Claw for Lion, and Cup for Aquarium), other uses a bit of lateral logic. The Teardrop is for the Fishes, on the basis of the "a teardrop in the ocean" saying having that kind of connotation, and me not wanting any symbol that was an actual animal, and fishes not really having an iconic animal part the way claws are for Lions or hooves are for Horses. The feather is for Libra, in reference to the Egyptian practice of "weighting the heart on the scales", which seemed appropriate when you're working for an Egyptian deity. The Snake is poisonous, like the Scorpion, and also is one of only two animals who has a symbol to itself, but it doesn't actually represent itself; I just like the idea that the snake is so duplicitous that even its symbol is meant to trick.

That leaves the hammer for Taurus, the leaf for Gemini, the beehive for Virgo, the flag for the Sagittarii and the clover for the Capricorn. To be honest, I really didn't have a good idea for Gemini and Virgo; for Taurus and Sagittarii, the big symbols for them (horns and bows and arrows) I had already booked elsewhere. So I sort of improvised - the Sagittarii is sort of like cavalry, so it can be considered to carry the flag, and for Virgo, I went by opposition, with the queen bee being the most direct contrast to all the ideas virginity is meant to represent that I could think of on the spur of the moment. The Gemini are based on the whole Castor and Pollux myth, so I went for the image of the laurel crown, then realized that would generate confusion with the normal crown that was already a symbol, so I simplified it to just a leaf. That left me with having no real way to symbolize a bull; I also wanted to have the hammer as a symbol, and I eventually just decided that replacing it with the thunderbolt in the Hero collection and moving it to the Horoscope was the best solution.

The Capricorn got the clover because that's something goats would eat, and also because that's my sign and I wanted it to stand for luck, which the four-leaf clover does. :)

The Tarot combination is, as once again Halasik guessed, based on the Tarot deck's major Arcana: I think most of the references there are pretty easy to catch, but if anybody is confused, I can answer that.

The Zodiac collection is based on the Chinese Zodiak, since I didn't want to represent only one of the two. So, we have hoof for the Horse, horn for the Ox, tail for the Rat (which doubles up as a Final Fantasy reference), carrot for the Rabbit, banana for the Monkey, bone for the Dog, gem for the Dragon, egg for the Chicken (since the egg definitely came first), string for the Tiger because tigers are big cats (specifically noted to resemble the spring balls cats are known to play with), and fork for the Pig (because of the wordplay, obviously). We're left with the goat and the snake, and since I replaced an arachnid in the western set with the snake, it felt appropriate to replace the snake here with another arachnid, the spider, which the web symbolizes. It also continues to make the whole snake thing even more confusing.

And since the Goat is the equivalent of the Capricorn, I replaced it with my favorite animal, the Turtle - the only other animal, aside from the snake, to break the "no animal symbols" rule. Because I just liked that.

The five flowers set is actually a personal in-joke. In another game I ran, I had five magical daggers and associated them with these five flowers; this is referencing that.

As correctly identified, the Ability set is referencing the ability score; Constitution is meant to be represented by the Lemon because of it being not an easy thing to eat whole, and Votex is Charisma because it attracts things toward itself.

For the seven sins, Ladder is actually the one meant to represent Pride, as it is used to put yourself higher than other people; the mirror is meant to represent Lust, because that one is all about actually gratifying yourself instead of your partner, in my reading of the sin. The balloon stands for Gluttony, the arrow is for Envy, and the chains are for Greed - the gold chains that binds you to hell, as it were.

The Hero set is indeed about the avengers; most of those are obvious, but I'll note that the flask is Hulk, the bag is Iron Man, and the apple is Black Widow. I had the web and the apple in each other place at one point, but then decided it'd be funnier the other way around.

The four virtues are Charity, Honesty, Prudence and Hope; the lamp is for prudence, the grapes are for honesty, the bread for charity, and the anchor for hope. They are my four favorites of the seven cardinal virtues; I didn't think the other three were worth presenting, due to my personal preference on which thing are and are not, in fact, virtues. I didn't expect anybody to figure this one out either, this was just for myself.

As for the equipment: it's the thirteen magic item slots, plus weapons and slotless items (which are represented by the dagger and map, respectively); I'll leave it up to you to identify how the rest match to the various slots, it shouldn't be too hard.
This message was last edited by the GM at 19:34, Sat 17 Sept 2022.

Aiming to post a it later today

I believe we've been meeting up hourly-- that's what we discussed at the start of the day, at least.

Also, does the Emporium have a posted list of prices and offerings, or is it more of an "ask for what you want, we'll quote you a price" situation?  We do have that set as well.

Note that the emporium allows for trading, of item for item. It doesn't take normal coins because nobody in town has any use for those. And the correct approach is indeed to show up and ask if they have something that you want, and then offer something in exchange.

Ohhhh.  I'd somehow missed that the tokens were turned in at the booth -next- to the emporium.  Whoops!

That's fine. The booth does work with you looking for something there and they asking a number of tokens in return. It's not uncommon for people to get something from the booth and then trade it over to the emporium, even.

Oh, we can dip into 3.5?  There's a lot of stuff in there that I don't necessarily want enemies to have access to (a lot of permanent +4s), but how about the Dispelling Cord (slotless, +2 to a dispel check 5/day)?

Also, does anyone not use their neck item slot?
Actually, should probably have September ask that at the huddle.  But you can still answer OOC.
This message was last edited by the player at 22:53, Tue 20 Sept 2022.

In reply to September (msg # 67):

That doesn't seem too bad of an effect; +2 to MSB for Dispelling purposes only is of a pair with Spell Penetration, I would think. So, consider it to have about the same price (including for the trade emporium), and expect me to make it take up a proper item slot, probably wrist or hand (it'd be either a glove or a vambrace).

Fair enough.  September would obviously prefer wrist, since his "hand" slot is full.

Wait, if you're comparing it to spell penetration, does that mean it'll be an "always on" bonus?

In reply to September (msg # 69):

Not exactly. Spell Penetration is less applicable than Dispelling, as you are surely aware; there's builds that get by with no need to ever face Spell Resistance at all, whereas Dispelling is an emergency measure.

However, I would let the item have a number of charges, we'll say 5 since that's what the item has normally, and in addition to refilling by sleeping, 1 SP can be spent to refill three charges. That seems fair to me, but if you disagree, I will hear your argument.
This message was lightly edited by the GM at 23:25, Tue 20 Sept 2022.

Oh, no, that's more than fair already-- I'd originally assumed it would work like the base item (5 charges/day), but then I formed a different impression from the discussion of the feat and wanted to clarify.

The majority of Verik's slots are open, if it matters.

I've been thinking about rings.  Do they have any of the following?

Ring of Eloquence (and a fairly abusive rules interpretation)

Ring of Inner Fortitude (any level)

Ring of the Sophisticate-- except no skill bonuses and no vancian casting and attuned to villages/settlements rather than just taverns... so basically a "ring of finding nearby towns"

I'll need you to elaborate on this.

The ring says that it grants the ability to "speak and understand" certain languages, even if you're in a form that can't normally speak them.  If you squint, it grants the power of speech.

I think I would just rule that you gain the benefit to your telepatic speech, not that you become capable of talking. Besides, surely there's plenty of magical item that grants speak?

In any case, I would consider the Ring of Eloquence to be worth 14 Clover tokens, while the Ring of Inner Fortitude would be obtainable for 35 tokens (minor), 85 tokens (major) and 135 (greater)... I'm pretty sure you're already nearly out of tokens, and can't really afford any of these, can you?

As for the third ring, that seems entirely too convenient an item, so I think I won't make that available to you; I apologize for the inconvenience.

Surprisingly few, especially that do it permanently and cheaply, actually.

And yes, this is mostly me looking at empty slots and brainstorming; we're down to 25 tokens, but considering the payout for one game, that seems very fixable.

In reply to September (msg # 77):

That is, indeed, how gambling halls work; you just need that one more win... ;D