In reply to Supervisor of reality (msg # 78):

But this isn't a gambling hall!  The festival does not have a gambling hall-- ask anyone!  What are you insinuating?

Just checking-- is anyone waiting on anything from me, or are we all just listening to Iona right now?

Ah sorry, it seems i am the cause of the delay. I'll try to get a reply in tomorrow, feel free to nudge if it happens again ^^;

I've been going back through the thread and can't find something certain one way or the other.  GM, if we know-- can the cards or symbols be forged, faked, projected, etc?  In other words, once that divine aura is revealed, is there any way to make someone think you're handing them a card when you aren't, or did Khepri tell us that was right out?

The divine power of a divine mark is impossible to fake, primarily because the only way to project such a strong divine presence is by having that amount of divine power present. Like heat from a fire, you need the fire to be present for the heat to exist - if the fire is removed, then the heat disperses. The same here.

Also remember that the pass cards themselves are impossible to damage or leave signs upon, other than by activating a divine mark on them, so any forgery would be as easily recognized as attempting to destroy it. There would be no real way to make a convincingly fake one, although I suppose a forgery that would appear like one at a first look could be possible. Not one marked with divine power though, as I mentioned above, the quality and most importantly quantity of power that each mark contains is too high to be mistaken for something else.

In the interests of expediency, I'm all for handling the team-building in OOC.

September is bad at stealth; as he mentioned originally, he thought others would do better.  If he is on the team, his plan would be to lay a storm on the building, making vision impossible beyond 5' and hearing impossible at any range, and possibly making it impossible for the other contestants to enter the building at all.  This would apply only to the opposing team.  Tremorsense he could defeat by flying; scent he'd have to hope the  harsh weather conditions prevented.  Basically he'd "hide" by not being within their perception range.

It's not the best plan because it makes rather a mess in an area where locals will be.  He can keep lightning from hitting anyone, but he'd still need to ask them carefully before the fight what types of weather they can handle without sustaining injury... and how sturdy the furnishings are.
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Halasik has a +24 to stealth, and gains an additional +5 bonus if there is mist, smoke, or fog, and can fly to avoid tremorsense, but can't avoid any other magical senses.

So he's decent, but not amazing at this competition.

Hmm, actually I might have a way of dealing with scent, but it's a bit questionable:
The scent rules (here: https://www.d20pfsrd.com/gamem...-abilities#TOC-Scent) say that Water, particularly running water, can ruin a trail. I can make a target (myself included) wet by hitting them with a drowning blast (I'd undercast it to avoid doing much damage, then deliberately fail my save). The rules question is then how effective is that at defeating scent?

Another possibility is we could try to acquire something with a strong scent (maybe see if there's a perfume making contest nearby that we can acquire samples from) and spend our minute spraying it around everywhere before hiding.

Oh, running water ruins a scent trail?  So torrential rain would shut it down hard, then?

I don't know why I'm surprised about verisimilitude, but I am.

In reply to September (msg # 87):

Pathfinder is actually surprisingly good at verisimilitude for a fantasy game, yeah. :)

Water does interfere with scent, for air-breathing creatures. It doesn't for water-breathing creatures who have it, like sharks. Keep also in mind that the scent user is a druid; that's how scent comes into play. Which isn't to say that a torrential downpour wouldn't be a good idea, just that a prepared opponent might have ways to work around it.

Iona's strength is not in combat, quite the opposite, but she is quite capable outside of it. Chief among which her resurrection, and there is some protection in that 1/day she does not die when she is killed, but she has some tricks up her sleeve such as hijacking the enemy's SPs to use as her own.

But yeah, only 32 AC so any fighter worth their salt will have no problem hitting her. I think her main form of defense may be that she can drain HP with her attacks too, but at 1d6 SP stolen plus fatigued (Fort negates both) plus 15 (0r 30 with an SP) no-save Bleed damage per person hit in a ranged touch close range cone, anyone with half a brain will be trying to focus her down or end up burning through their resources FAST.

Right.  So it's been quiet.  Banner, Halasik, September, Verik all offered to hide-and-seek. Supervisor said there were five, but I couldn't find the fifth post.  The offers are...

Halasik (Stealth +24/29, flying)
September (Stealth -No, flying, storms)
Verik (Stealth DC 23 for forgetfulness?, floating feet)

So Banner, how do you fit into that challenge?  And other person whose post my mind is apparently skipping over, what'll you do?

Stealth +27, then Will DC 23 forgetfulness.

He also can Hide in Plain Sight but probably doesn't matter.

I was under the impression that Iona agreed to join, and then retired when I said there were five people, so I saw no need to further comment on the matter.

Oh no, Iona simply stated she had no skill in Stealth so she'd be a poor choice of teammate, given that the discussion was about that. She'll find some competitions of her own, don't worry :)

In reply to September (msg # 90):

Banner has a base +27 to Stealth, better in dim light and the Darkness sphere; he could potentially use his War totems and banners to provide teamwork feats to help companions. He might have a few other tricks up his sleeves too - such as one of his companions being flying and incorporeal whom he could possess

Another option would be to simply possess the house, or an item of furniture

The rules on Incorporeal state that "Nonvisual senses, such as scent and blindsight, are either ineffective or only partly effective with regard to incorporeal creatures."
(emphasis added)

So depending on how the GM rules, that would cover us for scent. So we've got Banner, Halasik, Verik, and September I guess?

Anyone else want to throw their hat in? Nar said they're an elven archer, that would probably have pretty good stealth checks, yes?

Remember, if they find any one of us we lose.  Does Banner have the ability to make us all incorporeal?  If not, it'll only cover him for scent.

I have this little thing, Iona has said she doesn't mind borrowing her gear to others.

https://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic...r-z/shroud-spectral/

Sorry, that was a typo in the first draft of the post - they need to find all of you, for you to lose. I believe I corrected that very quickly though; I'm honestly amazed you managed to spot that mistake. :)

However, they're working together on the search, so just one of them succeeding is enough for them to win, and if two people have bonuses that apply to different situation, such that enemy A can find, let's say Halasik and September, while enemy B has bonus that fail against that but helps with finding Banner and Verik, that's still a loss.

Really, it's hide and seek, if one of you gets found out that person has been found out, the only difference is that there are four people searching instead of one.


Given Nar hasn't logged in since September 6, I'd rather keep the team you've formed now, especially since each of you already showed you have something to contribute to the effort.
This message was last edited by the GM at 13:51, Sat 01 Oct 2022.

Ready to go play!

Also: if Banner possessed the house then I think he would know where the seekers are all the time and if Iona is close enough he could share that with everyone else

I get alerts when a new post shows up, and there are many periods of the day where I read them promptly (even if there's not time to respond).  The flipside is that I often don't see edited versions of posts, since there's no new message indicator for them.


Anyways, how would Banner possessing the house work?  Does them seeing the house count, or would they need to somehow realize he's there?

I didn't actually respond to that because I was checking over the matter, and... I don't think Banner actually can possess the house. His size limit for possessing an item is Gargantuan, and according to Sphere's example size table, that's about the size of a catapult - which is big, but I'm not sure it's as big as a 50 ft x 50 ft house... I'm not fully certain, however. Especially because the Huge example is a wagon, and the Colossal example is a ship, and a house would be between the two, and there's a lot of different catapult variants. So I was checking to see what the larger size of catapults were, to get a sense for dimensions.

So, at the moment, pending confirmation, I'm saying that Banner can't possess the house. If I were to decide that he can in the end, they'd need to realize that an entity is possessing the house, which can be detected (Banner himself can give you a list of the way in which he is detectable when possessing people and/or things), although it's not exactly a simple task, in itself. Also, if I allowed him to possess the house, that'd likely translate to something like helping you all with finding cover and granting circumstance bonuses to rolls, or similar benefits.

According to the Pathfinder table:


So at first sight it looks like a 50 x 50 ft. house is indeed Gargantuan?
This message was last edited by the player at 23:28, Sat 01 Oct 2022.