For the sake of fun, let’s assume Banner isn’t possessing the house

Yeah, I think we'll go with the house being too big to possess. Sorry Banner, and thank you for being understanding.


...no, it doesn't, not from that table; if anything, the fact that a Gargantuan creature takes up a 20 ft space pretty solidly suggests that Gargantuan is half the size needed here. The building is also about 50 ft tall, since it's a five floors building, so that's a 50 ft cube.

No worries, at all! It seems a bit too much like cheating and steals away the opportunity for some non-combat narrative tension too much :)

Ah right, missed that.

Looking at volume, 50 x 50 / 64 is just a little below 40, which is more than 20, so a house would indeed be Colossal.

Wondering though, if the goal is to go into the house and not be found by the opposing team, could anyone do something that makes it impossible for the seekers to actually enter the house? Like turning the doors and windows into solid wall?

As long as it can be done in a minute, and keep in mind the searchers have five minutes, and might actually know the house better than you do, on account of how they are running the competition, so they might have countermeasures for that sort of trick.

Great, so if anyone could animate the house with the hiders in it so it will run away from the seekers, i'd say we've got a pretty good shot at this :P

So, to make sure before I push things forward, is the current plant for the hide-and-seek competition finalized, or not?

Believe so: Banner will be casting one of his totems to provide the Stealth Synergy and Bonded Mind teamwork feats, then hiding - potentially possessing a sling bullet

That'd give you a benefit for size, and if you could find a way to make the item you were hiding in make sense to be placed in the house, a circumstance bonus as well.

Speaking of which, Verik's sharing of the old tree experience will give Banner a bonus (insight, in this case) to that test of coming up with a tree ballad. So, if he later wants to do that for his own enjoyment, it might be easier to succeed. :)

Basically ready, yes-- September has a couple of questions he wants to ask the organizers, but that's it.

Question for you, though, Supervisor-- are you handling Stealth Synergy strictly as written or houseruling it in any way?

I don't believe that Pathfinder retained the synergy rules from 3.5, so going by the book, there's no Stealth synergy I need to make any rule about, that I can find.

That being said, if you want it/need something from it, tell me what, and I'll see if I think it's worth allowing or not.

The feat-- https://www.aonprd.com/FeatDis...me=Stealth%20Synergy

...ok, I'm not sure how I missed that when Banner specifically stated he was granting it to everyone. I blame tiredness.

Not sure what sort of house rule you would want me to apply to it? The feat seems pretty straightforward; so long as you're within line of sight of an ally who also has the feat, you can use their dice roll instead of yours, if it's better.

The only thing I can imagine any houseruling about would be the "line of sight" element being applicable to other forms of perception, which I would say can with caveats - it must be something that allows for perceiving the entirety of the ally's body positioning, so normal hearing wouldn't work, but echolocation would. Same for any other sense - if you can justify that it's a sense that gives you awareness of body positioning, then it can be considered "sight" for the "line of sight" ruling.

Stealth can be selective, you can use Stealth on an enemy without affecting an ally, but that's just normal stealth rules.

Unless you wanted to ask about some other facet of the feat which I'm not seeing?
This message was last edited by the GM at 18:48, Mon 03 Oct 2022.

The wording is... problematic.  "You all take the highest roll and add all your modifiers to Stealth" can very easily be read as "Take the highest die rolled by any party member, then add to that roll the Stealth modifiers of all participants, using that result as the Stealth value of all participants."  I think you're reading it differently, though, based on your last post, which is why I wanted to clarify this before we used the feat.

I’m presuming that Bonded Mind wouldn’t count as perception of others ;)

You're presuming correctly, Banner - Bonded Mind tells you where they are, but not their precise body positioning, which is what's needed for Stealth Sinergy.

And September, you would be correct that I'm not taking the severely overpowered interpretation you speak of, but rather the sensible one. I can understand your point that the feat is written badly, but it's pretty clear that somebody forgot to put the world "individual", "personal" or some other synonym in there. I imagine a feat that had the intention to say "sum together the modifiers to stealth of every person with this feat that is within line of sight, and then add them to the best dice roll out of all of those made by every one of them" would have said that with the words I just used; when text is ambiguous, I find it safer to take the interpretation that is more reasonable.

Still, you did well to ask, since making sure you know what the rules are is your duty as a player and providing clarity on the matter and answering player's questions is my duty as a GM. :)
This message was last edited by the GM at 19:14, Mon 03 Oct 2022.

Oh, I agree that your version is vastly more balanced and reasonable-- it's just also a house rule that involves adding a word to the feat, rather than applying what's actually written there.  Changing feats is something that only the GM can do.

In reply to September (msg # 120):

I'd argue it's a matter of interpretation, but I still appreciate you bringing the matter up.

Out of curiosity, have you found many GM willing to go with the "add everybody's Stealth modifiers together" interpretation of it?

I've never used the feat before.  Teamwork feats are on my list of things to try when the right game comes up.
This message was last edited by the player at 19:08, Tue 04 Oct 2022.

Feel free to suggest options; Banner's banners totems provides for two teamwork feats when activated

A lot of them seem like you'd need to build the party around them-- butterfly's sting, for instance, or most of the flanking feats.

Bonded Mind would be nice to have for communication in case Iona isn't around.
This message was last edited by the player at 19:22, Tue 04 Oct 2022.

Outflank and paired opportunist actually work pretty well if you have a bunch of melee people even if they aren't specifically built around it. Obviously even better if you have crit-fishing builds, but not needed.

Shake it off is pretty consistently good, if boring, and gets better with bigger parties since there's just more bodies around to give bonuses.

Sorry to jump into the challenge, but Verik needed to control the pacing (needs the Archons to be present when he hides).

The GM may want me to re-roll, but the Almighty Dice Roller RNG is having none of it. :-)