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OOC Thread II.

Posted by Aruvna NumariFor group 0
Nar
player, 222 posts
First Grand Phoenix
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Sun 9 Feb 2025
at 08:49
  • msg #941

Re: OOC Thread II

I’m wondering whether we should even let them have the initiative… the ultimate counter ambush would be to sneak up on them while they wait for us. They have picked this spot quite likely to have the drop on us as we emerge from the fog, but we could go into the fog, disappear with a teleport and reappear right in the middle of them, and focus fire on their weakest members (or leader, as Halasik suggested)
Diata Yuari
player, 510 posts
Mon 10 Feb 2025
at 05:54
  • msg #942

Re: OOC Thread II

Or I could drop a giant acid bomb in the middle of the enemy group.
Nar
player, 223 posts
First Grand Phoenix
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Mon 10 Feb 2025
at 13:28
  • msg #943

Re: OOC Thread II

What’s your range for that?
If you’re able to do it before we teleport in the middle of them, that’d be perfect.
Diata Yuari
player, 511 posts
Mon 10 Feb 2025
at 17:08
  • msg #944

Re: OOC Thread II

Range increment of 10 feet, and I can target AC 5 and just slam an intersection and hit every target within 10 feet ot it for full damage.
Supervisor of reality
GM, 1212 posts
Mon 10 Feb 2025
at 17:10
  • msg #945

Re: OOC Thread II


Keep in mind that a 1000 ft distance at 10 ft increments will see you take a -200 penalty on the roll, so even if it's just AC 5, you still would miss. In fact, I would need to rule that you fell short at whichever range increment reduced your roll to 0.
This message had punctuation tweaked by the GM at 17:15, Mon 10 Feb.
Diata Yuari
player, 512 posts
Mon 10 Feb 2025
at 17:14
  • msg #946

Re: OOC Thread II

Alas.

Well, if we appear right above them by thirty or so feet, I can bomb drop.
Supervisor of reality
GM, 1213 posts
Mon 10 Feb 2025
at 18:09
  • msg #947

Re: OOC Thread II


With your numbers, you could probably manage around seventy or eighty feet, if you were willing to gamble on a good roll. The rules are that it's -2 to the attack roll for each range increment after the first, so 20 ft is -2, and 60 ft would be -10, which still sees you succeed with a roll of 3 or more.

I hope that helps you all come up with your attack plan? Since not all of you are taking part to the attack among the players, I only need those of you who are there to agree on how to approach things before we can move forwards.

By the way, Diata, you're not an Alchemist by class, but your character is sort of one by trade; what do you think a confrontation with two other alchemists who actually have the class (if very different archetypes) is gonna be like?
This message was last edited by the GM at 18:10, Mon 10 Feb.
Halasik
player, 626 posts
Mon 10 Feb 2025
at 18:21
  • msg #948

Re: OOC Thread II

There's also rules on maximum number of range increments. I believe it five range increments for thrown weapons, and ten range increments for projectiles. There's probably some ability that lets you ignore that, but in general you can't attack beyond that range even if you could still hit with the -whatever penalty.
Supervisor of reality
GM, 1214 posts
Mon 10 Feb 2025
at 18:35
  • msg #949

Re: OOC Thread II


...you believe correctly; I forgot about that. So that means that Diata's longest range would be 50 ft.
Nar
player, 224 posts
First Grand Phoenix
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Mon 10 Feb 2025
at 19:55
  • msg #950

Re: OOC Thread II

Ok, so the plan is:

- we carry on as if nothing was amiss for now.
- goblin takes his shot (plus whatever other attacks we sustain as we come out)
- as a reaction, Nar teleports the whole group 50ft above the ambushers
- Diata drops a bomb on them
- everyone charges in behind the bomb to drop the general as soon as possible

Good plan?
Halasik
player, 627 posts
Mon 10 Feb 2025
at 21:13
  • msg #951

Re: OOC Thread II

Sounds good to me.
Nar
player, 225 posts
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Mon 10 Feb 2025
at 21:38
  • msg #952

Re: OOC Thread II

Boss, I think we may need a rough map of the position of enemies in relation to each other if we are to plan our areas of effect and such.

Or maybe just a grid?
I’ve used things like this before, which are quite easy to manage:


 ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRST 
1   +2    +4+4+4+4    +2   1
2   +2    +4+4+4+4    +2   2
3    +2    +4+4    +2    3
4+2+2  +2 +1+2 +4+4 +2+1 +2  +2+24
5 +2+2    +2    +2    +2+2 5
6       +2    +2       6
7   +1   +2 +2+2 +2   +1   7
8   +2+2+2+2+2 +2+2 +2+2+2+2+2   8
9+4+4                +4+49
10+4+4+4+4  +2+2    +2+2  +4+4+4+410
11+4+4+4+4  +2+2    +2+2  +4+4+4+411
12+4+4                +4+412
13   +2+2+2+2+2 +2+2 +2+2+2+2+2   13
14   +1   +2 +2+2 +2   +1   14
15       +2    +2       15
16 +2+2    +2    +2    +2+2 16
17+2+2    +1+2 +4+4 +2+1    +2+217
18    +2    +4+4    +2    18
19   +2+2   +4+4+4+4   +2+2   19
20   +2    +4+4+4+4    +2   20
 ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRST 

Supervisor of reality
GM, 1215 posts
Mon 10 Feb 2025
at 21:54
  • msg #953

Re: OOC Thread II


I mean, if you really think that will help, I can probably whip up something tomorrow, but you haven't forgotten they're standing on a straight, flat bridge, right?

And also that you're all high, level 14+ characters, and so at least a portion of the fight will eventually take to the air? I don't know how much a map will help with that, but if you think it will, I will try my hand at making one.
Nar
player, 226 posts
First Grand Phoenix
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Mon 10 Feb 2025
at 22:14
  • msg #954

Re: OOC Thread II

Oh I thought they were at the other end of the bridge, my bad. But that makes sense. I guess if we know the order and distance relative to each other, that should be enough.
Diata Yuari
player, 513 posts
Tue 11 Feb 2025
at 01:25
  • msg #955

Re: OOC Thread II

In reply to Supervisor of reality (msg # 947):

It'll be the bomb, that's for sure.

And yeah, if they're all huddled together on a bridge, then theater-of-the-mind suggests I can probably catch them all in a ten-foot circle.
Halasik
player, 628 posts
Tue 11 Feb 2025
at 02:51
  • msg #956

Re: OOC Thread II

One of them is explicitly lying down a bit away from the others, so she probably wouldn't be targetable with the same effect.
Supervisor of reality
GM, 1216 posts
Tue 11 Feb 2025
at 09:59
  • msg #957

Re: OOC Thread II

Also one is high in the air. I'll go ahead and use Nar's template to give you a quick visual reference:


                
      A2G         
        A1F       
       OZ       
        G       
                
                
                
               B


So, you can imagine that this is the bridge seen from above; you're coming from the bottom of the table, and heading towards the top. Each square is a 5ft square, as per usual mapping.

The letters indicate where the enemies are; "B" is the woman with the bastard sword, "G" is the goblin gunslinger, "O" is the orc leader, "Z" is the ghost (keep in mind that the ghost is hovering high into the air, which obviously will be taken into account when determining whether she'd be inside a certain area of effect or not), A1F is the first alchemist, the one with fire hair, and A2G is the second alchemist, the one with glasses. Note also that this last one is moving; each turn she's taking two move actions, heading toward an edge of the bridge, then back to the opposite side, then back again, as determined by a normal 30 ft move speed. This means that you can time your attack such that she could be at any point of that line; let me know if you have a preference.

Speaking of formation, how will you be moving in? Are you going to stand in a neat column, one behind the other? Are you all going to come out side by side in a line? A V formation, and if so who'd be on front and who on the wings? A more loose group, and if so, roughly which distance would you keep from one another: a tight cluster (max 10 ft away from each other), or a scattered group (more than 30 ft from each other)? That will help in case, say, any of the enemy casters had abilities that can strike at a distance.

Completely unrelated trivia: Long Range for magic is 400 ft + 40ft x CL. At CL 20, that's 1200 ft. Interesting factoid, isn't it? ^_^
This message was last edited by the GM at 10:00, Tue 11 Feb.
Diata Yuari
player, 514 posts
Tue 11 Feb 2025
at 11:03
  • msg #958

Re: OOC Thread II

Right. Honestly, team, I think we should try to attack first - at the point when A1F is next to everyone. Loose formation.

At which point, I can drop a bomb at the intersection between A1F, O and Z, which I think catches everyone in a 10' burst?
Nar
player, 227 posts
First Grand Phoenix
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Tue 11 Feb 2025
at 12:07
  • msg #959

Re: OOC Thread II

Im leaning towards this as well. They would probably understand they have been spotted at this point, but it doesn’t matter much.

Once we’re in the cloud (and about 1100ft from them) Nar triggers her Warp. Also once we are in melee with them, it will be more difficult for them to use bombs and areas of effect without hitting their own.
Diata Yuari
player, 515 posts
Tue 11 Feb 2025
at 12:38
  • msg #960

Re: OOC Thread II

Right. To clarify, I want to end up fifty feet above the point I mentioned.
Nar
player, 228 posts
First Grand Phoenix
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Tue 11 Feb 2025
at 15:44
  • msg #961

Re: OOC Thread II

We should work out our formation in terms of where we want to be once teleported. I don’t mind too much, I’ll probably stay on my phoenix for now :)
Supervisor of reality
GM, 1217 posts
Tue 11 Feb 2025
at 17:10
  • msg #962

Re: OOC Thread II


Diata, Nar, if I'm getting you right, you're saying that you intend to amend the plan from msg #950, and instead want a version of the plan that skips the first two bullet points and starts directly from the third one? Or have I misunderstood your intentions?
Nar
player, 229 posts
First Grand Phoenix
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Tue 11 Feb 2025
at 17:23
  • msg #963

Re: OOC Thread II

That’s what I’m saying, and i think Diata too.
Would be good to get Halasik and Iona’s thoughts on it though.

(Also before jumping into the cloud, Nar would add Resist Fire buff)
Halasik
player, 629 posts
Tue 11 Feb 2025
at 17:56
  • msg #964

Re: OOC Thread II

I'm ok with it. It does perhaps let them know that we were aware of the ambush, but it could just as easily be that we somehow spotted it in advance.

In terms of formation, do we all need to be in touch range for Nar to Warp us over?
Nar
player, 230 posts
First Grand Phoenix
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Tue 11 Feb 2025
at 18:01
  • msg #965

Re: OOC Thread II

Ideally yes, otherwise I can use it a range but it's an extra SP.
If it's really important that we teleport in a specific formation, I can manage that.
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