If you borrow me that cash? I can craft those arrows. :)

Then, if we survive the next encounter, I'll give back you 90 gp or something useful with the same value.

Because if my calculations are right? I can craft one arrow with what I have left. Leaving me with 3 gp.

If Gorum allows, I'll make the crafting roll before adventure starts. Have you considered taking a Magic Item Crafting feat?

Indeed, and that is likely going to be my go-to form for my Alter Self SLA since the increase in speed makes up for me wearing full plate. Plus, having Scent AND a bite attack are also good reasons for it, especially now that any unarmed/natural attacks I make count as Cold Iron too :D

I'll mark the 90 gp as lent to Puck then. We can just assume that you paid back when we're doing the shopping for the next-next encounter.

I wanted to get Craft Wondrous Items, but the feat space was tight. Not going to lie, that was the primary motivator behind Tal being a human. Bonus Feat is a good bonus.

Adlet is a pretty good form for Alter Self. And bite doesn't get invalidated by holding a sword. Like, take sasquatch for example. Same speed and darkvision as an extra sense. But gives a slam attack instead of a bite, which you can't use if you have a +1 longsword of beating people up.

In reply to Taliesin (msg # 341):

If needed I could pitch in 100gp if it could get us all.

That's 100g per person above 3. The spell can target 1 person/caster level, and it is a 2nd level so it starts at CL3. I bought it for Tal and Fandor initially. So I can already target a third, since I already bought it. But for more targets, I need to buy it at higher CL. (If above 5 targets, we can do two scrolls at 3 to get to 6 and then increase their levels if need be.
This message was last edited by the player at 19:27, Wed 01 June 2022.

I think it's very simple, Taliesin, I will give back the lent gold to you ... next level. You'll have +90 gp above normal average, I will have -90 gp. It's that simple. :)

Now to explain my crafting, Pheromone arrows can be only made single at time according to the tables presented. Each costs 30 gp as well. I do have materials for crafting 10 such arrows.

My Puck's crafting is good enough to make one within a day on a good roll! No, sadly I'm just silly.

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22:24, Today: Puck rolled 21 using 1d20+11.  Crafting Pheromone Arrows !

22:24, Today: Puck rolled 20 using 1d20+11.  Crafting Pheromone Arrows !

22:24, Today: Puck rolled 24 using 1d20+11.  Crafting Pheromone Arrows !

22:24, Today: Puck rolled 30 using 1d20+11.  Crafting Pheromone Arrows !

22:23, Today: Puck rolled 29 using 1d20+11.  Crafting Pheromone Arrows !

22:23, Today: Puck rolled 25 using 1d20+11.  Crafting Pheromone Arrows !

22:23, Today: Puck rolled 25 using 1d20+11.  Crafting Pheromone Arrows !

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Tracking daily progress, so we are on the level, Craft DC is 15 because those arrows are complicated. 372 crafting out of 3000 done in first week. One arrow, in simple numbers.

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22:29, Today: Puck rolled 17 using 1d20+11.  Crafting Pheromone Arrows !

22:29, Today: Puck rolled 29 using 1d20+11.  Crafting Pheromone Arrows !

22:28, Today: Puck rolled 27 using 1d20+11.  Crafting Pheromone Arrows !

22:28, Today: Puck rolled 25 using 1d20+11.  Crafting Pheromone Arrows !

22:28, Today: Puck rolled 15 using 1d20+11.  Crafting Pheromone Arrows !

22:28, Today: Puck rolled 25 using 1d20+11.  Crafting Pheromone Arrows !

22:28, Today: Puck rolled 26 using 1d20+11.  Crafting Pheromone Arrows !

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723 crafting done in the second week, ugh. I might not make it even when my rolls beat DC by 10 or 15, shmucks.

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22:38, Today: Puck rolled 31 using 1d20+11.  Crafting Pheromone Arrows !

22:38, Today: Puck rolled 23 using 1d20+11.  Crafting Pheromone Arrows !

22:38, Today: Puck rolled 22 using 1d20+11.  Crafting Pheromone Arrows !

22:38, Today: Puck rolled 28 using 1d20+11.  Crafting Pheromone Arrows !

22:38, Today: Puck rolled 19 using 1d20+11.  Crafting Pheromone Arrows !

22:38, Today: Puck rolled 14 using 1d20+11.  Crafting Pheromone Arrows !

22:38, Today: Puck rolled 19 using 1d20+11.  Crafting Pheromone Arrows !

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First of all, first failure to craft with roll of 14. GRR, I'll get them those Smurfs! So one day less of progress. Truly a pity there is no critical hits on crafting, I got also nat 20 as a consolation prize.
Crafting progress is 1027 out of 3000. I barely made it to third bolt? Fucknuggets, I guess it's the price of being cheapskate. :P

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22:42, Today: Puck rolled 27 using 1d20+11.  Crafting Pheromone Arrows !

22:42, Today: Puck rolled 30 using 1d20+11.  Crafting Pheromone Arrows !

22:42, Today: Puck rolled 16 using 1d20+11.  Crafting Pheromone Arrows !

22:42, Today: Puck rolled 28 using 1d20+11.  Crafting Pheromone Arrows !

22:42, Today: Puck rolled 25 using 1d20+11.  Crafting Pheromone Arrows !

22:42, Today: Puck rolled 14 using 1d20+11.  Crafting Pheromone Arrows !

22:42, Today: Puck rolled 20 using 1d20+11.  Crafting Pheromone Arrows !

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Puck crafted 4 arrows, costing 40 gp in materials then bought extra two from a vendor I guess for 30 gp a piece. Six arrows isn't bad, hopefully.

EDIT: Now we are only waiting for Gorum to laugh and correct me if I'm wrong or say it's ok. :)
This message was last edited by the player at 20:48, Wed 01 June 2022.

Well, while I'm here I'll do the honors.

Pheromone arrow crafting is Craft (alchemy) DC 25, I'm hoping you rolled that but at least your DC is off (https://www.d20pfsrd.com/skills/Craft/#Arrow_Pheromone)

Crafting equipment in downtime is done by taking 10s only, no rolling. (This one is in the Rules thread, msg #3)

*facepalm*
Thanks for pointing it out, buddy. Puck can't craft these arrows then if it isn't "Craft:Bows" skill, and even then DC is too high for him.

It's 3 arrows bought, then 30 gp a piece.

EDIT: And on the more positive note I do have nifty, situational buff, Ashen Path. It lets you see trough smoke, ash or stuff like that.

I can see it having potential with my grenades causing excessively smokery here or there. Might be risky in the crypt, though.
This message was last edited by the player at 22:41, Wed 01 June 2022.

Good thing it lasts practically the entire combat. Even if only one of them hits an annoying enemy, it will be very useful.

Did you get Ashen Path as known? I've got a scroll for that too. Together we can buff the entire party against smoke (we should have 8 targets in total). It's not a situational buff when you intentionally fill the area with smoke or ash. And I've got an ash storm already prepared for area denial or vision blocking.

Also: Trade offer. That scroll costs 300gp for me to buy. But I don't need to buy it if you pre-buff Tal and Fandor, and then I can pass that gold along.

Sounds like you need to have the scroll to get us all.  No?  If so I can chip in some gold.

Since we are talking about scrolls can I buy some and have you all cast them?  Cost less than potions...
This message was last edited by the player at 04:47, Thu 02 June 2022.

Uluchi will also pitch in for Ashen Path on everyone; she'll provide 200 gp for this buff towards getting coverage on all combatants. And with guidance she'll cast the scroll of Bless, good idea.

With all this time to prep and definitely undead enemies, I've been waffling on my dedication to poison. Delaying one fight wont hurt, I guess. <eyes the slippery slope> I just hope it isn't exclusively Skeletons and Skeleton Accessories.

Yes Taliesin, Ashen Path is in my spells known. Take note that I have 2 lvl 2 spell slots so I can cast it twice per adventure.

Sesa, I think that I remember that there exist poisons specialized against undead? Ones made with holy water as ingredient. You should check it with Gorum.

After all, if it is something buyable? You can change your wealth distribution every adventure!
Or use the crafting time, with Gorum's permission, to re-train if you have some class feature that lets you pick a poison and be stuck with it.

Well if Puck will cast one Ashen Path, the scroll + his casting covers everyone so no need to chip in for a better scroll or more scrolls.

@Patagogi: We do have good coverage for spell lists, except cleric list, so scrolls are decent. They become tricky to buff with during combat if you aren't using them yourself, but I generally feel that you shouldn't waste that many turns buffing once the combat starts anyway.

@Puck: You don't have a bonus level 2 slot from Wisdom?

Yeah, Veana can't use scrolls, so I just kept potions on my list even if they are pricier. You never know what the set up is going to end up being, or if we'll have time to do too many buffs prior to the fight...so potions felt like a safer option to me xD

Potions are nice, a bit expensive but hassle-free. But it precludes personal spells, and there are some gems that are personal. (Tal has ironskin scrolls for example, and Veil of Positive Energy would be a great buff for this fight if you have the UMD for it or have paladin spell list)
This message was last edited by the player at 16:26, Thu 02 June 2022.

Meh, didn't take UMD and have no spell list. I'm fine with relying on my own abilities and a few potions here and there :D

Meanwhile, I'll take all the spells thank you very much. Not everyone is such a natural at mowing down the undead :D

Yeah, I guess it well depend on how hard this fight ends up being! I just feel like if we end up having access to all sorts of gimmicks and too much time to prep, the challenge itself drops drastically and that ends up being less fun ;-)

But I may just eat my words after the fight if its super hard and we all end up joining the undead family instead! LOL

@Veana, you took the spell less paladin variant? Cool, do you have the Anti-Undead Channel thingy?
I believe it could be an excellent party-starter. :D


I can cast it twice, not like I have other buffs that are share-able. Will probably invest in scrolls some day.

Cheaper than potions, after all. And I can use both druid and ranger scrolls.

Wisdom 12 here, bub. I'm not a caster. To push higher level Hunter spells I'll have to invest in Headband of Wisdom +4 at least. :)

Oh-kay then. I was expecting a 14 tbh. Hmm. Maybe keeping the slot for SNA2 to get a flanking buddy could still be useful. IDK, I don't want to deprive you of your only level 2 slots. If you feel like it's a good usage of the slots, then my offer still stands. The scroll isn't worth much if we got the buffs already. And I've found 50 gp in my purse ^{that I definitely didn't miscalculate}, which can be more arrows for Puck.

Don't need no special thingy. As long as you can channel positive energy, you can do so to heal the living or harm undead. Although, I gotta say that channeling as a pally is subpar to doing it as a cleric imho, since it costs 2 uses of my LoH, which I'd rather use to heal myself or others or buff people through the powers of my archetype. That's what I traded for giving up spells!

That being said, might be worth it in this particular encounter giving we are fighting undead :)

Hmm, Vaena? Depending on the size of the Crypt ... it might be worth it to ready yours Channel-Smite.

By the way, I certainly do love me some Ready Actions, Imagine it like something along the lines of Veana goes into the middle of the crypt as move action, trashtalks as freebie a bit, readies action (with the whole Fighting Defensive option, she does no attacks anyway).

Then undead surround her ... and ka-pow Channel blast! I dunno if you can use Smite with Channelling as I'm not too versed with paladins.

It's personal bias due to bitter experiences with asshole players and GMs in regard to this class. Burning six temples of Pelor (The Burning Hatred) was just my pyromania! ;)

Taliesin, if Gorum lets you borrow me extra 50 gp? It'll be 2 arrows more and 140 gp debt to you.

I marked the 50gp as given. If you decide on casting Ashen Path twice, I can also mark the 300gp for that as given.

No the whole channeling + smite doesn't work that way. Smite Evil works on a single character, and I don't know that the bonus damage from it can actually affect things like damage done via a channel vs undead...might be worth checking it, but really its more of a useful single target debuff vs enemy (buff for me) against anything that's evil.