This is the OOC thread

Okay, gentlemen, you're all three in.

Pick a portrait and we'll wait and see if we get any more participants...

I think I'll cap (if I even need to) at 8 (counting me, so 7 not counting me).
This message was last edited by the GM at 23:45, Fri 20 May 2022.

Sup, great to be here. I'm the sword by the way, the elf is my servant ;p

May I lose gracefully and the winner win with style.
This message was last edited by the player at 01:22, Sat 21 May 2022.

We now have 5 players, and me, for 6...

New folks (sorry if I was presumptuous earlier with "gentlemen"), pick a portrait.

Gonna wait just a little longer and see if I get 1 or 2 more or not...

Yo, I'll be you friendly neighborhood warmonger, or not. We'll see. A force for chaos certainly.

Hi everyone.

I hope we'll make a good world amon gus, one we might al lbe proud about (and maybe use in our own games).

How long is each round expected to last?

That is indeed the hope.

I wish after we were done I could say "now let's make characters and run adventures in this new world!" but I just seriously don't have the time that would involve.



I hope not more than a day or so per round, but who knows. It'll take as long as it takes I guess...

...Hm, you think I need a time limit? "Each round's submissions must be submitted in // voted for in X days or you get left out of submitting/voting for that round...?"

Hello everyone! Happy to be here!

1. Okay so if we don't get any new people by the time I get up and start my day tomorrow (OR if we get exactly 2 new people), we'll start.

So you might all start thinking about what you wanna submit (via sending a private message to me) for Round One (see Rules thread).

2. I've decided that I'll hold off on setting any time limit on both/either submitting and voting. I'll do it if I ever need to... so please don't make me.

Here's a question can someone pose a powerful being or culture with some values that are evil so long as the culture or being is morally grey instead of black?
This message was last edited by the player at 19:38, Sat 21 May 2022.

I... don't think so?

It's hard to say for sure without seeing an actual specific example.

But I'm glad you asked, because it makes it clear to me that I need to make a ruling:

ATTENTION: IF I DECIDE YOUR SUBMITTED CULTURE OR BEING IS TOO EVIL, I'LL TELL YOU SO AND YOU WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVISE AND RE-SUBMIT.

As opposed to just losing your opportunity to submit it.
This message was last edited by the GM at 21:36, Sat 21 May 2022.

Okay, that's it, I'm officially starting.

Each of you PRIVATE MESSAGE me your ROUND ONE submission starting NOW.

Then I will anonymize them and put them all in a voting thread so you can each subsequently vote on them (by private messaging me your votes).

(I will select my vote for a candidate first, once all submissions are in.)

One more thing-- don't make anything for Round One that could count as a Powerful Being.
This message was last edited by the GM at 11:46, Sun 22 May 2022.

Okay, this is not going as efficiently as I'd hoped.

I am going to impose a time limit.

Anyone who hasn't submitted their idea for Round One by Thursday morning when I get up will get negative-1 point for that day, and another for each day after that they don't submit it.
This message was last edited by the GM at 18:20, Tue 24 May 2022.

Quick Question how many points are possible? And what happens if the winner of the game either never wins a round or Has negative points at the end of the rounds?

Sorry, mid week stuff is hard for me to get to. I teach and that takes a lot of my time. But I'll make a point of getting my round 1 done today.

Apologies.

1. A particularly good question. In this round, THREE submissions will become canon. So, I will be telling people to give 3 points to one entry, and then 2 to another, and then 1 to another (because if I don't tell people to give out multiple points, I'm afraid that there'll be a run-off, and I don't want that). So guess if we all gave 3 points to the same person's submission, then 15 points are possible this round (since one can't vote for oneself).

2. I think it would be hard for the ultimate winner of the game to BE the ultimate winner of the game and yet to also never have any of their submissions get enough votes to succeed in any rounds.

2 (continued) But if anyone has negative points at the end of a round... then they have negative points at the end of a round. When I tally up their points at the end, those will count against them, and lower their final score. Can a person still win if they have negative points at the end of a round? Sure... But it'd be that much harder-- especially if it keeps happening.

Well, we started this round on Sunday...



Based on past observations, I often suspect that something like 75% of RPol are educators (and/or grad students).



Good idea.



Accepted.

I have everyone's post but Talon's... Talons has not logged in since Saturday...

I guess I'll start our voting Thursday...

EDIT-- unless Talons posts tonight or tomorrow of course, then I'll start instantly
This message was last edited by the GM at 00:12, Wed 25 May 2022.

Looking forward to some interesting ideas. Thought that four submissions would be problematic, but forgot the GM will also submit. So five submissions? Might need more for subsequent rounds if voting is to matter unless we modify the number of accepted ideas...

I know this type of freeform world-building stuff doesn't get a lot of interest, but I find that confounding.

Also, yes, it has also been my observation that a large number of RP nerds are teachers of some stripe.

We each give 3,2, and 1 points to 3 submissions that alone will make voting matter.

To avoid a runoff, give 3 points to one entry, and then 2 to another, and then 1 to another.

PM me your votes.

Do NOT vote for your own submission at all.

Everyone else's creature is great.  I believe my own is the worst of the lot. Great job everyone.
This message was last edited by the player at 19:33, Thu 26 May 2022.

Indeed. Interesting.

And we'll see if everyone agrees by the vote. Haha. But thanks for thiking mine is interesting.

I mean I can't comment on how I find yours in particular interesting. Unless I went into detail on all, but even the most "boring" of them in my opinion holds a lot of possibilities. Since I can not confirm any entry is mine in particular I can't comment on them unless I did all of them. So yeah not going to happen until after the vote.

Yes, I expect post vote discussion. Though, even then, I might not admit which was mine. But I do like possibilities.

...Balance, why are you not voting? Please vote. You've checked in twice now since voting started, yet not voted.

To avoid a runoff, give 3 points to one entry, and then 2 to another, and then 1 to another.

PM me your votes.

Do NOT vote for your own submission at all.

Sorry, I voted now.

Round 1 is done. 3 concepts are now officially canon.

ROUND TWO:
1 or 2 places (1 or 2 per player).
--Each player will describe a place that exists in the fantasy world. It can be general (a continent, a desert, an ocean, a moon) or specific (a city, a village, a tower, a clearing in the woods). The place can be somehow magical, or not.
--DO NOT SUGGEST THINGS THAT ARE EXACTLY LIKE A PLACE THAT ALREADY EXISTS IN D&D/PATHFINDER/ANYWHERE ELSE.
--Each player may create one or two places. Two places will give you more chances to get votes.
--Top six recipients of votes will become officially canon as existing in the fantasy world.



(I guess we'll do the same as last time:


To help avoid the need for a runoff, give 3 points to one entry, and then 2 to another, and then 1 to another.

PM me your votes.

Do NOT vote for your own submission at all.

EDIT: But that's all for AFTER we get all the submissions in. So start submitting! I've got mine ready!)


Any questions?
This message was last edited by the GM at 17:06, Fri 27 May 2022.

See I didn't win the vote.


Great job everyone.

Geez, I lost this round too. And I thought for certain my Capybara idea would win the gold. But it seems their time shall come another day.

But at least the folks I picked won, congrats guys. Ooh, but be careful, I won't lose next round, maybe.

In reply to World's Onward (msg # 31):

Well you had one vote on yours. As 3rd place...

Oh, I forgot to mention the time limit.

Since this is Friday I guess the end of Monday, Midnight. My time zone. After that you'll lose points in the final tally.

"But GM, we don't know what time zone you're in."

Well then you'd better not wait that long then, right?

So before 10pm Saturday to be on the safe side.
This message was last edited by the player at 20:47, Fri 27 May 2022.

That would certainly be safe enough.

Or now. Now's good

It would be a safe and guaranteed means of losing your right.

It takes time to write these, and It requires time some people might not have right away having them submit is a poor idea, having a safe deadline is going to be better for everyone.
This message was last edited by the player at 21:02, Fri 27 May 2022.

Well, the rules state that the top 6 get in. I assume that means that each of our submissions is individual. I'm making mine linked, but that's a tactic. So, do we vote for the top 6 this time? Something like 3, 3, 2, 2, 1, 1 or 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1? Plus, having at least six sites would be nice. Also, is is possible, at any point, to stop and work on how this all combines into a cohesive whole?

Yes.



Understood.



I expected that 3, 2, and 1 would be sufficient.

(Thinks about the math of it)

I suppose you might have a point... It seems very unlikely to me, but what if, out of 10 submissions, only 5 got all the votes?

Perhaps we SHOULD each do 3, 3, 2, 2, 1, 1...?

I am open to other people's opinions about this... More opinions, anyone...?





That is the result which I expect-- have expected all along.



...How exactly do you propose that that might be... "worked on"?

I confess that I don't see the need as yet...

...What?

What does that mean?



You and I want two different things in regard to this matter.

I agree with you that a safe deadline is a good and fair thing.

However, you want it later, and I want it sooner.

We are in conflict in this way.

I feel like I want it soon, and you want it later, and the compromise I am willing to make is that we meet in the middle: "Before Tuesday."

I am working every single day aside from Monday which is when I intended to work a couple of hours on the project. To make it far better then my creature submission , hopefully, in quality.

The safe and guaranteed means of losing was more of a remark on how that wouldn't feasibly work in getting a quality submission out.
That was more a Mark of minor annoyance and saying if I submitted something immediately it wouldn't win because of a lack of time and the incredible likelihood it would be a quick and dirt submission.

Its also advisable to take your time on submissions as you might very well notice or think of something you might miss out later. And a higher quality submission will be more likely to win meaningless points.


I just dont want to send out crap again. Like my rush job of a creature.

Well, a discussion really. Just a chat OOC? I mean after this we'll have three unique creatures and six unique places, but how do they relate to one another? I am trying to integrate as I work, but it might be nice to stop and just discuss how we all see things fitting together at some convenient point.

For instance, the next round of voting is for the order we want "powerful being" and "cultures" to go in. We could all just chat about it during that voting process. Or we can discuss each round as we plan and write the next round.

Just tossing out ideas.

As for time to create, I expect that 3-4 days is plenty. Isn't that what we had this time? Fri-Mon? I mean, I do most my thinking while puttering about cleaning. That's what I did today, cleaned the house and thought about locations as I did. Then I just typed up my ideas. The typing process went fast. I did a couple read throughs to double check then submitted. But I was spring-boarding off the creature ideas a lot in mine.

Mm. Once we have the places in canon, I can see a little work being done in that respect. I'll worry about it then.




Specifically, I believe that the last span of submissions started on Sunday and finished Wednesday... But I was hoping that the only reason it took that long was because we had a participant go AWOL.

Indeed, this time, I believe that-- with the exception of one participant-- all submissions were turned in last night.

ROUND TWO: PLACES are up.

To help avoid the need for a runoff, give 3 points to two entries, and then 2 to two others, and then 1 to two others.

PM me your votes.

Do NOT vote for your own submission at all.



Any questions?

Hmm. I'm not surprised that there are two deserts, but I'm a tiny bit surprised that they're so similar.

Well, if they both get in canon, I'll let the two creators of them decide if there are TWO deserts, or if they should just be combined...

Hmmmmmmmmmm. And the same with the equator and the islands, too, I suppose...

I'm amazed about how the cannon taken form Round 1 has been used (often by others than their creators) in round 2..

Very nice places to everyone. A shame some must be discarded...

Voting is done... and yet...

Here's what ended up in the top 4 spots:

The Sandstone Desert
The Amerylith Coast
The Village of Nature's Chessboard

3-way tie, with each getting 8 points... which is fine.

Endless Mines came in fourth, with 7 points... which is Fine.

But there's a three-way tie for those that had 6 points, and one of them is mine.

I was not involved in any sort of tie in Round One, so/and the issue of tie-breaking didn't need to come up.

The rules say:



So I dunno, I want to tread carefully here.

The way the rules as already written say this gets resolved = what th' hell, we have 7 Places, fine, whatever.

HOWEVER. As I previously stated,

The Amerylith Coast, The Cursed Island, and The Ring of Light all seem to me like they could be folded into one another conceptually (very easily). (If you don't see how that's possible, let me know and I'll explain.) The Amerylith Coast is already in the top three, and The Cursed Island and The Ring of Light are involved in the tie for 6 points.

SO.

1. I want to make sure no one revolts at letting all three of the places involved in the 6-point-tie in just because one of them is one of mine.

2. If the answer to #1 is "nah it's cool," then discussion needs to happen between the creators of The Amerylith Coast, The Cursed Island, and The Ring of Light now about how cool they are or aren't with the idea of concept combination (NONE of those are mine). (Since I don't want a run-off, I think it's okay for you to reveal your identities as the creators of those Places now).

2a. If all three of those are combined, though, we'll have FIVE Places. Should we, IF that happens, allow in the Place that got 5 points...? Discuss, please. (We're not voting, just discussing.)

1-2c. I just don't want a run-off, is one of the things I'm saying.

(3. Note: I do NOT want to start discussing "let's talk about where the places are in relation to each other on a conceptual map" yet. I already have certain ideas about that... BUT let's get all of the above straightened out first.)

It occurs to me that an alternative way for me to settle the 3-way tie for the 6 points is for me to just throw one of them out. But I wouldn't choose to throw MINE out, so that seems... problematic as a solution. Unless the creators say "hey no, GM, it's your contest, it's up to you." But still.

What th' hell, we have 7 Places, fine, whatever.

That's got my vote.

Combining those three could work in a number of ways. I mean, the Cursed Island and Ring of Light work together in a limited sense, except one has been colonized on record and the other's a mystery. Those two could also easily be locations within or along the Coast.

But that's all second to the idea of just taking the seven and then sorting out stuff.

I'm going to be honest I don't see how the islands and coast could combine together.

I a gree. After all, those were the rules, weren't they?

with so few voters, I guess ties won't be so rare...
This message had punctuation tweaked by the player at 15:16, Tue 31 May 2022.

Well, for example:


The Amerylith Coast, the Ring of Light, and the Accursed Island

--Amerylith Beach is located along the eastern coastline of the eastern continent. It is notable for its length and the vast coral reef that extends along its length. In truth, the beach is a amalgam of various beaches broken up by cliffs, mangrove swamps, and other features. Still, it is considered as one place in minds: The Amerylith Coast.

--The coast teems with various forms of life native to the planet in both the water and along the various coastal features. This has attracted settlements, but these are sparse and distant from one another. The coastline is quite sparsely populated despite its bounty because a great deal of its native fauna is extremely dangerous, due to the leyline that runs along the coast between the beaches and the reef. One of the most potent on the planet, the Amerylith Leyline thrums with magical energies. Many of the local flora and fauna have developed synergies with and have latent magical abilities. And at the base of this ecosystem are the vast clouds of Archanaea that float along the leyline itself. It is also no surprise that there are several locations along the coast where smokeweed thrives. This does attract the occasional trader and spurs local communities to harvesting and cultivating the plant.

--Then, running east and west, is the Equatorial Leyline. Where it meets with the Amerylith Leyline lies a great congregation of Archanaea in a ring-like shape. The Archanaea consumes the massive permeating energy. However, few lights last for long inside the circle. Many myths abound about the islands that legends say lie within the ring, for few ever survive entering the ring for any time. Those that do tend to go missing for many months before reappearing with no memory of ever entering it.

--No Predators eat the Archanaea here, and they only flash those few boats that seek to enter near the waters.

--The Greatest myth or tale is of a island, which the Archanaea ward travelers away from, a cursed land that held great magic, at one point, long since forgotten.

--Some say that the island sank--reasons for the island sinking are myriad-- a wrathful god, hubris of the mortals that worked upon it, and so many more— none with any proof of the matter.

--Others say that the island sinks and rises occasionally for unknown and mysterious reasons.

--But then, some believe the island still rests on the surface, just hidden from the world, with only those wishing to leave ever returning, forgetting what happened on the island.

--This large island is seen as quite dangerous a place. In history, many countries, from many alignments, have established colonies on it, but none lasted.

--Mysterious creatures have wiped out any colony in less than a decade, though those sent to explore it have rarely encountered those mysterious creatures that have wiped one colony after another, and when an occasional colony has been attempted, either earthquakes, heavy storms or even wildfires have also destroyed them.

--Nonetheless, its fertile lands, mineral richness and strange plants and species (some with magical powers) seem to make sure more will always be ready to try (and fail)…
This message was last edited by the GM at 15:43, Tue 31 May 2022.

Yeah, I'll just vote for them being separate, considering how I didn't understand the conflation.

I vote for 7 places as well, and I agree with Daryus that merging them sounds feasible. Especially if magics involved, though I can believe if it was natural too.

Well to simplify:

--There's the long coast, which also has a beach running down it on a reef. The coast in question is on a magical leyline.

--There's also a magical leyline that goes around the equator.

--Where those two lines meet is a ring of magic krill (plankton, if you don't know that word. Make a Spongebob joke and I will yell at you).

--Inside that very wide ring is a magical accursed island that's very mysterious.


So... like that.

That wasn't hard, was it?

Actually that makes sense. Take aspects from the 3 don't take the whole of them.

I'll leave my vote to the other two.

I... don't really know what that means.

BUT THE VIBE I'M GETTING IS that we should let all of the 6-pointers in, especially since we can basically combine concepts somewhat. So:

The Sandstone Desert: 8
The Amerylith Coast: 8
The Village of Nature's Chessboard: 8
Endless Mines: 7
The Cursed Island: 6
Pendrell: 6 points
The Ring of Light: 6

So, I'm about to let these all into canon, as discussed above. Anyone wanna stop me?

IF not, then I'll move onto the next step, which will be discussing where everything is in relationship to one another. BUT BEFORE WE DO THAT, i want to be sure that there's no objections.

So let's have at least two people give me either an objection, or a "no objections, GM."

Then (and only then) I'll start talking about what's next.

No problems or objections, GM-sama!

That's one... One more from someone, please...

No problemo or object yo

OKAY SO. Now we know what places are in canon.

Here's what I think:
--We've already got a long eastern coast. Magical ley line runs up and down it.

--We've got an equatorial ley line, with a ring of magic krill where the two lines meet.

--We've got a big swamp. I imagine it being at the south end of the long coast. Therefore, I think the ring of light is down south of there.

--We've got a mysterious dangerous magical island somewhere in the ring (probably at its center).

--We've got a big desert. I suggest it be on the western half of the continent...

--We've got a village where there's smokeweed... Might I suggest it's north of the swamp?

--Underneath a lot of this, we have some accursed mines.

So... Is there more to say about this? Or some reason something has to be moved, conceptually?

I don't believe so no.

not on my part

Okay then the next thing... Rounds 3 and 4. Gods first then people? Or people first then gods?

I lean the second way, BUT i CAN see it the other way. Which way do y'all lean?

I'm leaning towards the God's first, I think a pantheon needs to be establish first before people start popping off.

I believe gods highlight aspects of people and not the other way around. So I'll vote for people first.

Oh, I take the anthropoligist POV. People first then gods. People invent gods. That's what I'd like, gods like the ones in Americna Gods if anyone saw that show or read the books. Gods born from mortal needs rather than gods creating the mortals.

So, my vote, people then gods.

As to arranging the stuff, that works. The big crazy caves feels a bit underdarky. Also reminds me of the subterannean world in the Percy Jackson novels.

So, desert in the west? Why move the desert rather than put the swamp and field in the west? Part of the description of the desert was that it made getting to the coast difficult. Not hard to access the coast if the two most likely to be populated areas are right next to it. As for the arrangement of the watery stuff, sounds fine to me.

That leaves us with a single large continent and some islands? How close is the continent to the equator? By its description, it feels close. Coral reefs, swamps, mangroves, etc. Sounds Florida-esque. It even has its own bermuda triangle!

Okay yeah that's similar to my POV.

So with 5 of us, you and me and Xadir agreeing means we're doin' People first.

I'll get to that tomorrow.




Ohhhhh ooooookay. Swamp westerly, Desert JUST to the west of the eastern coast, then.

So... Where do you think the chessboard village should be placed, then, exactly...?

North of the swamp as you said or potentially it could be that village in the Coast description that farms Smokeweed. Yeah?

EDIT: also, we have a pretty inhospitable continent. I am just realizing. Chessboard Village might be the only major settlement so far... and lost Pendrell.
This message was last edited by the player at 02:31, Wed 01 June 2022.

I'm just going to point out if the chessboard is the most major settlement the lost pendrell swamp would no longer be the major place to find smoke weed.

Most is on a very small scale here, I think. And The Lost Pendrell Swamp would be a hard push for that since the Chessboard location is also included and they farm Smnokeweed on a alarge scale there.

But again, the settlements here seem small so far. Pendrell might have been bigger when it was at its height, but it isn't anymore, is it?

I disagree and agree. I by no means see the chessboard as the most major settlement. On the other hand, I also agree that the swamp very well might not be the main place people go to harvest smokeweed.

It seems that there are three places the Smokeweed is cultivated. We might consider that each area produces a variety unique to it? Bit like pipeweed in Middle Earth? Differences in quality and taste, perhaps, but not effect?

A little late to the party, as it seems already decided, but, without entering in real world religious views of anyone, in a fantasy world it's likely to be the other way.

Nonetheless, be it Gods creating peoples from their power, or people creating Gods fro mtheir beliefs, they are likely for one to be a "réflex" of the other, and so the result not changing too much.

So, I abstain, being good with both possibilities.

SO

--The continent has a long eastern coast. A magical ley line runs up and down it.

--We've got a big desert on the eastern half of the continent... It's hard to get to the coast by land because of the desert.

--There is an equatorial ley line, with a ring of magic krill where the two lines meet. This ring of light is south of the bottom of the coast, and a bit to the west, as the north-south ley line curves.

--There is a mysterious dangerous magical island somewhere in the ring (probably at its center).

--There is a big swamp somewhere over on the western side of the continent.

--There is a ("chessboard") village where there's smokeweed... It's north of the swamp.

--Underneath a lot of the continent, there is a system of (accursed) mine tunnels.


Everything look right now...?

I'd also like to suggest the following:

--The western edge of the swamp isn't going to end and then 10 FEET LATER THE DESERT STARTS. I just don't believe it. So it seems to me that there's got to be something between them... I suggest broad sweeping plains (that drain into the swamp). Or... or do you prefer mountains? Mountains surrounded by plains? Weather patterns that usually go from west to east hitting a mountain range could explain why there's a desert on the east side (except for the desert's rainy season when the winds change...)...

--The swamp also doesn't have to be the only thing on the western half of the continent. I can see woods or whatever there. For that matter, if the continent's big enough, it'll get cold as one goes north...

We're not going to DEVELOP these interstitial//liminal places right now... BUT i would be okay with people doing so as they develop their cultures in Round Three.

Any thoughts about the above before I officially start Round Three...?

IMHO the Cursed Istald should be in a more accesible place, as it's said to have been colonized several times (all of them unsuccessful).

It could be along the West coast, so begining to also develop this wester área...

I did wonder about the colonization.

My suggestion:

--Legends say there are a number of mysterious magical islands in the Ring of Light area.

--ONE of them is actually on the OUTSIDE of the Ring of Light, about 10 miles to the west. It's the one that keeps trying to get colonized (which always fails sooner or later).

--The legends say that the islands INSIDE the Ring of Light are even richer in resources and natural treasures than the one to the west of the Ring, so cultures want to get their hands on those even more...


How's that...?

I t Works for me...

Okay, good... so... anyone else before I officially start Round Three...? If not, someone give me a "let's accept the above and go ahead GM"

...Why is no one saying anything

At least for me I'm afraid if I say it's all good someone else will be hampered by my say so. Making them unable to point out things they find problems with.

Well that didn't stop us last time...

And let me also say: things COULD be changed later, it would just be EASIER to change them now...

let's accept the above and go ahead GM

Accepted and let's go ahead.

Let's go ahead.

Agreed

Okay then I am officially kicking off time for Round Three Submissions:

1 or 2 cultures   (1 or 2 per player).
--Each player will describe one or two cultures that exist/s in the fantasy world. Each culture can be based on everyone in the culture being the same species, or have some other sort of basis (belief system, say).
--No culture is allowed to be inherently eeeeeevilllll.
--DO NOT SUGGEST THINGS THAT ARE EXACTLY LIKE A CULTURE THAT ALREADY EXISTS IN D&D/PATHFINDER/ANYWHERE ELSE.
--Each player may create one or two cultures. Two cultures will give you more chances to get votes.
--Top six recipients of votes will become officially canon as existing in the fantasy world.

Each of you PRIVATE MESSAGE me your ROUND THREE submission starting NOW.

Would a Company Count as a Culture?

That sounds more to me like a Faction (see Round Seven.)

But I guesssssssss if it really dominates every part of the entire community's life... if, as I said, it counts as their Belief System...

I was more so making a Joke about Company Culture.

Well... now you've got an answer anyway.

Sorry. But that does give me an idea for A Culture.

Would City-States be considered Cultures?
This message was last edited by the player at 18:25, Thu 02 June 2022.

I think so

ROUND THREE: CULTURES is up.

To help avoid the need for a runoff, give 3 points to two entries, and then 2 to two others, and then 1 to two others. (Like last time, it may not succeed in avoiding a tie, but at least it seems fair.)

PM me your votes.

Do NOT vote for your own submission at all.

Voted round 3.

It was difficult to discard any of your suggestions...

Very good job.

Hm, I meant to put that post here in OOC.

Oh well, I'll leave it there for now and clean it up later

Anyway, DISCUSS here in OOC, please
This message was last edited by the GM at 02:18, Sat 04 June 2022.

Hey both My selections won.


Alright so, Chessboard stuff has now become a major facet of the world. Though I do like the Swamp locales.

I'm glad the Half-Orcs won, since some life in the Mines were appropriate.


And I dont mind If Hapits ride the Lizards it sounds appropriate, racing is something fun after all.

Hmm, I'm just happy that some of my stuff got added in, but not just one, two of them. Nice! Also, thanks, the Half-orcs where my idea.

Anyways, I was thinking on the lines that the Cage-folk's ancestors shunned the laws of their former province cause their outlaws and made a new one. They also provide safety to those caste that leave the Monarchy, since they too oppose the Monarchy's regime. They also have an open economical warfare to anyone with a Smokeweed business. All smokeweeds belong to the Cage, no one else.

The 2 I voted for 3 pts were The Uglolla, and Night City.

Interesting. Seems the west is the more densely populated, specifically the swamp.

Might be easier to know about relationships with the chessboard once we know more about it.

EDIT: were you going to copy/paste the descriptions again?
This message was last edited by the player at 02:51, Sat 04 June 2022.

It should be noted that Hapid is noted to having cities. While say the Frog monarchy only has one. This does mean that densely populated may just mean more of different folk then just more folk period.

Same with the Cage-Folk, and the Uglolla aren't building major cities anytime soon.
This message was last edited by the player at 03:13, Sat 04 June 2022.

Three cultures in one smallish area versus one culture spread out over a vast area. The Sandstone desert was noted as being quite large.

I am not assuming the swamp is that big really. Could be.

Meh, still, interesting mishmash.

I look forward to the next round.

I'm going to be honest I didn't realize it was density, not totality even though I said density. It is very likely habits are spread out over a vast area while it is likely the swamp is more densely populated.

No worries at all. Words can be hard sometimes. Hell, I teach English and I trip over them constantly.

Okay SO:

--Hapids now ride Giant Blue lizards around the desert. When one gets too sleepy, it just crawls off to a cave and starts sleeping again (usually after it's delivered one to a safe-enough location). One can wake them up with the right floral scents, but it's diminishing returns (with the same lizard).

--Frogs sometimes escape their monarchy and emigrate to the Chessboard Village? Whereas the Cagers came from the Chessboard Village long ago and have bad memories of it? Right?

--PLUS the Cagers have economic/cultural hostility toward anyone else who cultivates smokeweed? Right?

--I am, in fact, visualizing the swamp is large... probably not as large as the desert, but large.

--Having said that, I think Xadir is right-- there could be just as many Hapid as there are Cagers or Frogs-- more, even-- just spread out more widely, too.

--(Daryus: At first I didn't know what you meant, but yeah, I see, you mean in the Canon thread. Yeah, I'll clean that up and put the official descriptions once we're done discussing Round Three.)

So... anything else we need to discuss regarding Round Three? Like, any of the above...?

If I understood the cultures well, the Cage would also be in the swamps and it usually covered by smoke from smokeweed...

If so, it would be more logical for the Frogs taht flee the Morchy to run for the Cage ,as this smke would, as per its definition, avoid the Law Mages of the Monarchy to go for them, as it i nterferes with their magic (when not outright poisenous to them)...
This message was last edited by the player at 12:59, Sat 04 June 2022.

Hm. Any thoughts on this, World's? Xadir?

I agree with the thoughts presented.


I believe it is possible for this to cause Strain and even Wars between the Two, with this being the case, it is possible that while they are the major refugee hub, that some may feel it unwise to side with their enemy and seek more peaceful lands elsewhere like the Chessboard Village.

I too, am also find with this development.

So... we got ex-villagers living in a former prison. Now, that prison was noted as having  been built before whatever cursed made the swamp. OR had the swamp always existed? Doesn't seem that way in the description. So Cagers have been around a while? The Cage is covered in smoke? Smokeweed doesn't make smoke, does it? Only when it is smoked, yeah?

   Interesting Q for Cagers - Dislike others who cultivate Smokeweed is what causes the stress between the chessboard and them? Or is it also possible that the chessboard is an area that belonged to the former kingdom existent before the swamp, now independent, that still views the cagers as little more than criminals or bandits?

Then the Frogs. Who dislike everyone or everyone dislikes them. Same difference really. Refugee frogs flee to the cage seems right. If the cage has been there for generations taking in refugees, there's probably a notably large proportion of frogs. A secondary community of the creatures, right? Other than frogs, you say its a mix of races. But over time, that would be hard to maintain. Also, other than frogs and humans and Hapids, what races are there. More on half-orcs later...

Still, frogs and cagers make a nice balance of order and chaos.

And down south the Uglolla are minding their own business. I suspect that means the Uglolla have access to a south-western coast area? Mangroves and such?

Also minding their own business when not getting chased by sharks are the Waveriders. They do cultivate their own smokeweed, but there are far enough away from the Cagers that I doubt it's a problem.

Now to half-orcs. What's an orc? Since this game seems premised in avoiding standard D&D tropes, what's an orc that we have half-orcs? My suggestion, orc is less a race and more a class. Working class, low-brow types. Just spitballing trying to understand. Not even touching the background of where they came from, that can just be some type of creation myth they have.

Hapids just be chillin in the desert lookin like cats and rabbits. Find myself wondering how sexuality works in that context. But that's pretty idle.

No.



Right.



Perhaps they're burning it (a lot) as a part of religious or other societal rites/services/rituals?



Wait, where'd you get that idea? I see nothing about the Frogs not liking others. In fact, they freely let newcomers emigrate to their kingdom as long as the new people join the caste system...




Including half-orcs, that's about all anyone's mentioned so far.



Agree.



Agree



I don't think you can have a class without a society to be in... Which doesn't invalidate what you're saying, but it makes it harder.

I picture ORC (in this context) as being like "7-to-7.5-foot-tall people with green skin and noticeable tusks coming up from the lower jaw, physically strong and tough" and half-orcs averaging 6.5 feet tall with smaller tusks and slightly less strong and tough than orcs.

No one has mentioned orcs being a thing unto themselves, though... maybe they merged into humanity in the form of hybrid kids? Or maybe something else happened to them? (Or maybe they just have some villages along the eastern coast that aren't complex enough to have a very complicated culture?) Maybe we'll hear about some of these things in Round Four or later...?

That brings up an interesting point what kind of level do people want Hapids to be?

If you need info on a particular level ill try to bring up actual examples of what the Hapids could look like at that level.

With the change of prisoners being ex-villagers, I'm going to say that the prisoners have long since died out, but the town is still fully functional when it was founded by the Cagers (who were just the run of the mill bandits and exiles of Chessboard), even though some of it is still submerged with swamp water. On the question of this whole smokes appearing round the Cage, I was thinking it was some sort of environmental affect due to constant usage of Smokeweed, it's made a good barrier for any folks of Law though, but theirs also some barriers for Chaos (in order to sell all kinds of Smokeweed of course). But most of the populace are either neutral and maybe some just adapt to form an immunity to it.

Their are varying tales (at least to what I thought of) to the origins of their conflict with Chessboard. One said that the leader of the Cagers was original person that harvested Smokeweed of the Chessboard folk (who were mostly pilgrims in the run from persecution at the time), but was  ousted out of the village due to greed. Either that or the Cagers (at the time it was just some bandits and a few exiled pilgrims) believe they were the first people to have cultivated Smokeweed as the Cage had an abundance of it hidden in the darkest areas of the town. Either way, Cagers will not relent on their claims that Smokeweed belong to them, and will not bow down to the laws of the past.

Also, I mostly painted the orcs as a blank and hope someone else can make it work. For all I know, instead of them being pigs, they could have bat or hippo features. Guess that needs some explanation, whoops.
This message was last edited by the player at 14:50, Sat 04 June 2022.

Anything like 2, 3, or 4, I suppose... 2.5 ish?

EDIT: I was thinking kinda USAGI YOJIMBO, really.
This message was last edited by the GM at 14:53, Sat 04 June 2022.

Yeah that's what I was thinking clearly Cat or Rabbit but humanoid.
This message was last edited by the player at 14:56, Sat 04 June 2022.

And Hapids Breed Like Hapids. Nuff said.

Wow, the implication is that the smoke from smokeweed doesn't dissipate as much as normal smoke does... hangs around a lot longer. Very interesting.



Yeah probably this.




Yeah well when one finds a "blank" area one thinks has potential, that's the time to fill it in in a later round...


Edit: OKAY so anything else we want/need to discuss before I start Round Four?

EDIT: Bring something up, or else say "nah let's move on GM"
This message was last edited by the GM at 15:21, Sat 04 June 2022.

Let's move on Gm

Someone give me at least one more Move On GM (or else bring something up), please...

Keep moving on GM

Well y'all can keep discussing round three in this thread, but for now...



ROUND FOUR:
1 or 2 powerful beings (1 or 2 per player).
--Each player will describe one or two very powerful being/s that exist/s in the fantasy world. Each powerful being can be a deity, or something that does not count as a deity (like just the sort of thing that could be a warlock's patron, say). Ask yourself: "Could this powerful being I have in mind could maybe win in some sort of contest against a lesser deity?" If the answer is "yes," then you're probably on the right track.
--NO DEVILS NOR DEMONS. In fact, no powerful being is allowed to be eeeeeevilllll at all. Selfish, maybe! Mischievous, maybe! Destructive, maybe! Scary, maybe! BUT NOT eeeeeevilllll.
--NO LOVECRAFT.
--DO NOT SUGGEST THINGS THAT ARE EXACTLY LIKE A POWERFUL BEING THAT ALREADY EXISTS IN D&D/PATHFINDER/ANYWHERE ELSE.
--Each player may create one or two powerful beings. Two powerful beings will give you more chances to get votes.
--Top six recipients of votes will become officially canon as existing in the fantasy world.

Just one question:

Are this intended to be individuals or creatures?

I mena, would it  be St George (a specific individual) or Archangels (generic creatures)?

These are intended to be individuals.

However, if you wanted to make-- JUST FOR EXAMPLE-- a deity of Light or Protection (or both), I'd let you toss in them also having angels/archangels too if you wanted.

(EDIT: Also: I don't THINK traditional St. George would be powerful enough to count for Round 4? I could see ramping up his power and importance to the point where he could, though...)
This message was last edited by the GM at 17:07, Sat 04 June 2022.

Santa Claus could easily beat a lesser diety given his Powerful Knowledge, and Massive Speed.
This message was last edited by the player at 17:16, Sat 04 June 2022.

I do not dispute this.

EDIT: after all, I did say "some sort of contest with a lesser deity" ...I didn't say WHAT SORT of contest...
This message was last edited by the GM at 17:24, Sat 04 June 2022.

Almost ready to post the results for voting... just want to confirm a detail with Balance...

ROUND FOUR: POWERFUL BEINGS is up.

To help avoid the need for a runoff, give 3 points to two entries, and then 2 to two others, and then 1 to two others. (Like last time, it may not succeed in avoiding a tie, but at least it seems fair.)

PM me your votes.

Do NOT vote for your own submission at all.

Just one person left to vote in Round Four...

No need for tie-breaking this time. The top 6 slots all got 6 or more points. The 7th-and-lower slots all got 5 or lower: a clear and inarguable division.

Noric 8
The Man 8
Ossiga, the Ghost Queen 7
Bor’Ma 6
The Grand Lizard 6
That-Which-Thrashes-in-the-Deep 6

These, then, will be in canon.

Any need for discussion of the results of Round Four before we move on to Round Five? I see no need for discussion, as such, but I'm not going to presume that there's no need for discussion just because I'm not immediately seeing such a need...

Nah, all those selected seem clear.

Move on, I say.

ROUND FIVE:
1 magic thing (1 per player)
--Each player will describe one magical thing that exists in the fantasy world. Each magic thing can be small and common (Potion of Lucky Birdwatching), or something unique and powerful (Giantbane, a sword that makes you totally immune to heat and fire that also instantly slays all Fire Giants it cuts), or in-between. (But the more powerful it is, the more rare it should be.)
--DO NOT SUGGEST THINGS THAT ARE EXACTLY LIKE A MAGICAL THING THAT ALREADY EXISTS IN D&D/PATHFINDER/ANYWHERE ELSE.
--Top three recipients of votes will become officially canon as existing in the fantasy world.

BUT I WILL ALSO SAY TWO MORE THINGS:

It may occur to some people to make items with a mind/will of their own... a book, a magic sword, who knows what.

Extra Rule One: if it/they has/have a mind/will of its/their own, it/they absolutely cannot be as powerful as the stuff submitted for Round Four.

Extra Rule Two: like Round Four, powerful or not, if it/they has/have a mind/will of its/their own, it/they cannot be eeeeeeeeviiilllll.


Okay, having said all that, start submitting...

ROUND FIVE: MAGICAL ITEMS is up.

To help avoid the need for a runoff, give 3 points to one entry, and then 2 to another, and then 1 to another. (Like last time, it may not succeed in avoiding a tie, but at least it seems fair.)

PM me your votes.

Do NOT vote for your own submission at all.

I like the Orc/Orca mythology! Fairly unique and intriguing as the world's "ancient culture."

Well it's a good thing you voted for it, because the one vote you gave it was just enough to put it over the top into canon.

Trait Stones: 10
Star Steel: 6
Belt and Scabbard of Thunderbolt: 5


Any further discussion needed before we move on to Round 6?

And what I mean by that is: either discuss something or else give me a "nah GM let's move on"

Nah, move on. The items all seem self-explanatory how they fit the world.

Unless we wanted to talk some about them Orcs?

Nah, let's move on.

Good job to everyone who's items got into canon.

And

Nah let's move on Gm.
This message was last edited by the player at 13:22, Thu 09 June 2022.

Can I just point out the Advisors stone could very well just be A Trait stone with The First King's memory inside it?

We can actually incorporate it into the Trait Stone example...


Edit: Sorry the Advisor's memory inside it. Ah well someone already responded.
This message was last edited by the player at 14:44, Thu 09 June 2022.

Hmm, I do like that idea better. And it sure incorporates that story of it being in the hands of the Cagers. I'm all for that idea.

Honestly, I agree.

As for orcs, yeah. I still don't know what killed off all the orcs (if anything-- if they didn't just intermarry with humans until all we had were half-orcs), but half-orcs are big tough humans who swim very well. And being able to hold one's breath for much longer than a normal human is always handy in subterranean mine tunnels when you can never be sure when you might run into a pocket of bad air...

Having said that, I'm opening Round Six: Classes.

--Each player will describe one character class that exists in the fantasy world. Each class can be common (hedge witch? knight of mystery?) or rare (hedge witch? knight of mystery?)

--DO NOT SUGGEST THINGS THAT ARE EXACTLY LIKE A CLASS THAT ALREADY EXISTS IN D&D/PATHFINDER/ANYWHERE ELSE.


GOoooooooooooooo...

COnsidering the many clases appeared i nvarious games (e.g. rolemaster, with its companions, has lots of  them), this wil lbe particulary challenging this time...

Im going to be honest. I'll need to check my class ideas to ensure it doesn't exist, given how many classes do exist just in dnd and pathfinder. And don't forget the homebrew.
This message was last edited by the player at 17:48, Thu 09 June 2022.

I will say:

1. Just do your best.

2. It seems to me that one sure way would be to tie the new class to the canon world somehow//as much as possible.

3. Look, as my examples tried to suggest: if it's some kind of thief, knight, mage, cleric, whatever-- some resonance with a fantasy class someone's already thought of is surely going to be almost impossible. Just don't make it exactly like something found somewhere else. Do your best to put some sort of unique spin on it.

So what's the update on everyone else, y'all submit your classes yet?

I'm done.

I'm done

Done too

Don't look at me-- ONE of you just posted last night...!

Anyway, yeah, I'll officially post all the results for voting today... probably this morning.

ROUND SIX: CLASSES is up.

To help avoid the need for tiebreaking, give 3 points to one entry, and then 2 to another, and then 1 to another. (It may not succeed in avoiding a tie, but at least it seems fair.)

PM me your votes.

Do NOT vote for your own submission at all.

Welp, we did our best... haha.

Was any place in canon established to have gladiatorial combat of any type?

Also, what are dwarves?

Yes there was, Hapids we're established to be gladiators. I suspect they built off that.
This message was last edited by the player at 23:53, Mon 13 June 2022.

Dwarves are walrus-folk of course. I mean obviously, it's in the name. They live in cold environments, eat a bunch of fish and have a love in making fruit juice.

Of course. I should have seen that. hehe

...I don't get it.

...I'm not even sure I see how it's "in the name," really.

Annnnyway...

Final results are in for the CLASSES round:

Spirit Shaman: 9
Stormriders: 8
Hapid Gladiator: 6

Interesting results... a mage/cleric class (or is it a cleric/mage class? Probably), a ranger/druid class, and a fighter/magey/roguey class. Or so it seems to me.


Welp, do we need to discuss anything before I officially declare that we're moving on to the final round...?

Just picking nits, but if Hapids are the only culture that seems to use gladiators... wouldn't that make the hapid gladiator the standard rather than an outlier? Also, based on the description, are hapid gladiators all men? Since only the males are rabbits and it mentions high jumps as part of the style. Or would there be divergent styles for males and females and even a neutral style?

Fine with the other two. Stormriders read as wizard/cleric combo, yeah. Divination focus? Somewhat shamanistic.

It's telling how much we all think in D&D classes.

Other than that, fine to move on.

Yeah that class was my design.

So I'll answer the questions.

Cats are better jumpers then Rabbits in the real world and I don't see why either Sex would be prevented to use high jumps of the gladiator style itself. I honestly did think of making the Gladiator style more specific but that's more so I could imagine so many class variants it wasn't even funny.

Gladiators are a class in other Games, hence why I named them Hapid gladiators. While they might be the common Gladiator in this World, I wanted a distinction to be made.
This message was last edited by the player at 13:45, Tue 14 June 2022.

On one hand, I like the idea of divergent styles.

On the other hand, who says cats can't jump? Have you ever seen a cat jump? They're better at jumping than I am, I tell you what.



Actually, I was referring to the Spirit Shamans as the Cleric/Mage combo, but sure, whatever floats your turtle.



And yet kinda unsurprising, too.

ROUND SEVEN: FINAL ROUND

1 faction (1 per player)

--Each player will describe one faction that exists in the fantasy world. Each faction can be relatively small (a company of mercenaries, or an enclave of three powerful mages (and their lackeys, if any)) or large (a cult, or a guild of merchants (or thieves and/or beggars)). Each faction should have something that makes them a bit unique.

--DO NOT SUGGEST THINGS THAT ARE EXACTLY LIKE A FACTION THAT ALREADY EXISTS IN D&D/PATHFINDER/ANYWHERE ELSE.

--Top three recipients of votes will become officially canon as existing in the fantasy world.

And one more thing:

--There is no prohibition against your faction being evil if you want. The heroes gotta fight some sentient beings, sometimes, over more than just big misunderstandings, after all.

Can i just say, that the 3,2,1,0 system with no additional 0's just feels nice?

?

No additional 0s?

Or are you saying you like 321 better than when we do 332211? Or...? (What are you saying? I'm glad you approve, but of what...?)

No Additional 0s.

I don't get it. What does that mean?

I'm sorry for confusing you. The No Additional 0's does two things that feel nicer one it's a straight ranking list, thus emotions are easier to judge the overall pieces.

While the other aspect is I only feel responsible for one thing if it fails to go through. I feel more content in my even mild support, and am relieved when the 0 comes through anyway, even if it wasn't what I'd prefer of the bunch.

Waiting to hear back from someone about a question I have

ROUND SEVEN: FINAL ROUND: FACTIONS is up.

To help avoid the need for tiebreaking, give 3 points to one entry, and then 2 to another, and then 1 to another. (It may not succeed in avoiding a tie, but at least it seems fair.)

PM me your votes.

Do NOT vote for your own submission at all.

One more person left to vote...

Is it just me, or does everyone else see the interconnection between those 3 groups?

And, the round is over, and all voting is over.

There was a tie, but breaking it didn't involve my entry, so I broke it myself.

So, I can now announce who's won this little contest...

...I don't actually KNOW who's won the contest yet, because I haven't done the math. It's READY to do, but, like, so...

...How much transparency do you want, here?

1. TOTAL TRANSPARENCY: Walk us through each step of the math, GM.

2. VERY THOROUGH NON-TRANSPARENCY: Walk us through each step of the math, but don't reveal who submitted which entries.

3. THOROUGH NON-TRANSPARENCY: Show us exactly what the final vote totals add up to.

4. WHO CARES ABOUT TRANSPARENCY: Just tell us who won, GM! I don't even care who came in second place!

TOTAL TRANSPARENCY, i prefer knowing the exact math, and knowing who goes to which submission means I can root for someone else.
This message was last edited by the player at 18:26, Fri 17 June 2022.

Someone give me another opinion. If it's the same as Xadir's, I'll do it that way.

Ditto.

Regardless who won or lost, I guess we all contributed to a new fantasy setting, for good or bad...

I don't believe there were any stakes either, so the World's all that's really important in the end.

Personally, I suspect I'll get third place since that's where I seemed to fall most of the time.
This message was last edited by the player at 22:00, Fri 17 June 2022.

Okay then HERE WE GO

(Balance) Smokeweed 10
(Daryus) Archanaea 7
Giant Blues 5
(WO) Decadent Soldier 4
(Xadir) Infestor: 4


Balance 10
Daryus 7
Me 5
WO  4
Xadir 4



(Daryus) The Sandstone Desert: 8
(Daryus) The Amerylith Coast: 8
(Xadir) The Village of Nature's Chessboard: 8
(Balance) Endless Mines: 7
(Balance) The Cursed Island: 6
(Me) Pendrell: 6 points
(Xadir) The Ring of Light: 6
(World's) Wilco's Unseen Tear: 5
(Me) The Khavos Dunes: 4
(World's) Woods Of The West: 2


Balance 10 7 6 = 23
Daryus 7 8 8 = 23
Me 5 6 4 = 15
WO  4 5 2 = 11
Xadir 4 6 8 = 18




(Daryus) Waveriders: 10
(Me) The Uglolla: 9
(World's) The Endless Mine's Nomads: 8
(Xadir) The Grand Frog Monarchy: 6
(World's) Folk of the Cage: 6
(Daryus) The City of Night: 5
(Xadir) The Hapids: 5
(Balance) The Islands Confederacy: 5
(Balance) Kirland: 3
(Me) The Sabral: 3


Balance 23 7 6 = 36
Daryus 23 8 8 = 39
Xadir 18 6 8 = 32
Me 15 6 4 = 25
WO  11 2 5 = 18



(World's) The Man 8
(Me) Noric 8
(Me) Ossiga, the Ghost Queen 7
(Balance) Bor’Ma 6
(Daryus) The Grand Lizard 6
(Daryus) That-Which-Thrashes-in-the-Deep 6
(Xadir) The Chessmaster 5
(Xadir) Anabt 5
(Balance) The Dragon King 5
(World's) King of the Desert 4



Daryus 39 6 6 = 51
Balance 36 5 6 = 47
Xadir 32 5 5 = 42
Me 25 8 7 = 40
WO  18 8 4 = 30




(Xadir) Trait Stones: 10
(Balance) Star Steel: 6
(Me) Belt and Scabbard of Thunderbolt: 5
(Daryus) The Shell of Orkan-Mahru: 4
(World's) Advisor's Stone: 4



Daryus 51 4 = 55
Balance 47 6 = 53
Xadir 42 10 = 52
Me 40 5 = 45
WO 30 4 = 34



(Me) Spirit Shaman: 9
(Daryus) Stormriders: 8
(Xadir) Hapid Gladiator: 6
(World's) Inheritor: 5
(Balance) Miners: 2

Daryus 55 8 = 63
Balance 53 2 = 55
Xadir 52 6 = 58
Me 45 9 = 54
WO 34 5 = 39



(Me) The Cautious Ones (Lawful Neutral Faction): 11
(Worlds) The Turkeys: 5
(Xadir) The Dungeon Builders: 5
(Daryus) The Cult of Den'Ghra: 5
(Balance) The Wanderers: 4

Daryus 63 5 = 68
Xadir 58 5 = 63
Balance 55 4 = 59
Me 54 11 = 65
WO 39 5 = 44

Final Scores:

Daryus 68
Me 65
Xadir 63
Balance 59
WO 44

IF my math is right, I almost caught up to Daryus in the end... but not quite.

Is my math right?

I'm going to make a sheet, to double Check Real Quick.

Ok, i didn't just double check, because I saw I got a different result, and had accidentally missed one, while I was triple verifying that particular result, so I did it a different way by simply grouping all Entries as well.

https://docs.google.com/spread...s4V56BKhQ/edit#gid=0

World
(WO) Decadent Soldier 4
(World's) Wilco's Unseen Tear: 5
(World's) Woods Of The West: 2
(World's) The Endless Mine's Nomads: 8
(World's) Folk of the Cage: 6
(World's) The Man 8
(World's) King of the Desert 4
(World's) Advisor's Stone: 4
(World's) Inheritor: 5
(Worlds) The Turkeys: 5

4+5+2+8+6+8+4+4+5+5=51

GM:
(Me) The Cautious Ones (Lawful Neutral Faction): 11
(Me) Spirit Shaman: 9
(Me) Belt and Scabbard of Thunderbolt: 5
Giant Blues 5
(Me) Pendrell: 6 points
(Me) The Khavos Dunes: 4
(Me) The Uglolla: 9
(Me) The Sabral: 3
(Me) Noric 8
(Me) Ossiga, the Ghost Queen 7

11+9+5+5+6+4+9+3+8+7=67

Xadir
(Xadir) Infestor: 4
(Xadir) The Village of Nature's Chessboard: 8
(Xadir) The Ring of Light: 6
(Xadir) The Grand Frog Monarchy: 6
(Xadir) The Hapids: 5
(Xadir) The Chessmaster 5
(Xadir) Anabt 5
(Xadir) Trait Stones: 10
(Xadir) Hapid Gladiator: 6
(Xadir) The Dungeon Builders: 5

4+8+6+6+5+5+5+10+6+5=60

Daryus
(Daryus) Archanaea 7
(Daryus) The Sandstone Desert: 8
(Daryus) The Amerylith Coast: 8
(Daryus) Waveriders: 10
(Daryus) The City of Night: 5
(Daryus) The Grand Lizard 6
(Daryus) That-Which-Thrashes-in-the-Deep 6
(Daryus) The Shell of Orkan-Mahru: 4
(Daryus) Stormriders: 8
(Daryus) The Cult of Den'Ghra: 5

7+8+8+10+5+6+6+4+8+5=67

Balance
(Balance) Smokeweed 10
(Balance) Endless Mines: 7
(Balance) The Cursed Island: 6
(Balance) The Islands Confederacy: 5
(Balance) Kirland: 3
(Balance) Bor’Ma 6
(Balance) The Dragon King 5
(Balance) Star Steel: 6
(Balance) Miners: 2
(Balance) The Wanderers: 4

10+7+6+5+3+6+5+6+2+4=54






Both Went the Exact Same.

Daryus, and The Gm had 67
I had 60
Balance had 54
World had 51.

I might be wrong, but I think I have done enough verification, and made it fairly easy for anyone to double check my results, by grouping all entries together, and allowing them to see the math equation. Heck, I triple Checked both of the Ways I did the Math.


So, The Gm did catch up to Daryus, he didn't surpass however. As Both Daryus, and The Gm Won. And as I had long since Suspected I got third.
This message was last edited by the player at 02:15, Sat 18 June 2022.

Also I do believe something Else is amiss.

I believe there is one point unaccounted for.

For every contest 30 points total was awarded, for all double contests you can treat them as two separate contests, for a total of 10.

Each person gave out 6 points during each contest, and 5 people played.

Now, no matter which reading you go, even if I'm wrong on the totals at the End, an interesting point arises, both mine and the Gm's were off by 1, 1 point is unaccounted for, and very well might be what solves the Tie.




For math purposes.

Gm's Results
300-68-65-63-59-44=1 you can just look at the 3 odds, to see it doesn't equal an even.

Daryus 68
Me 65
Xadir 63
Balance 59
WO 44




My Results

300-67-67-60-54-51=1 Same parity issue, easily identifiable even without going through the math.

Daryus 67
The Gm had 67
I had 60
Balance had 54
World had 51.


Edit: Heck, I can even prove which round the issue propped out on.






(Xadir) Trait Stones: 10
(Balance) Star Steel: 6
(Me) Belt and Scabbard of Thunderbolt: 5
(Daryus) The Shell of Orkan-Mahru: 4
(World's) Advisor's Stone: 4



It was this one Contest, where a parity issue Arised.

Note it should be impossible for only one vote to have an odd number.
This message was last edited by the player at 03:04, Sat 18 June 2022.

OK, I am fine with the tie. Haha. I forgot there was this part. If I had recalled it, I wouldn't be surprised as many of my ideas got through to the canon.

Interesting results.

Though, Now there's a mystery afoot. The mystery of the missing point.

Possibly a result of just missing a vote? Guess it might matter. I was partaking more to build a world.

However, if that missing point is nagging at you, gotta recount that round. Not sure how organized everyone else was with voting, but all my votes were cast using a single PM thread, so mine should be easy to track.

Gotta admit, there were more than one round where I didn't want to vote for third place at all.

Single pm

3:
2:
1:

Should be easy to do, for me as well.

The Second bit is Quite Harsh.
This message was last edited by the player at 03:18, Sat 18 June 2022.

Aww, man, I'm last place. Oh well, at least my most powerful creations are currently roaming the world.

Agreed. That's my bad. I shouldn't have said it.

Well, I began very well with the smokeweed but fell out to second to last afterwards...

I was really surprised in second round for the many uses of smokeweed on the places.

Smokeweed was neat. Moderately original, gave the world a unique commodity, and started to add definition to the magic system with the order/chaos stuff. That's why I tried to incorporate it. I tried incorporating as much of what was canon as I could as I submitted each round.

I tried not to make any assumptions about what was in the world other than what we had created and discussed.

I should think that a basic understanding of what does or does not exist at first would be a good discussion to have should this process ever be done again.

We did manage to spin "orcs" into something neat though!

(Xadir) Trait Stones:
(Balance) Star Steel:
(Me) Belt and Scabbard of Thunderbolt:
(Daryus) The Shell of Orkan-Mahru:
(World's) Advisor's Stone:

Balance votes:
3 points for the trait stones
2 points for the belt and Scabbard of Thunderbolt
1 point for the Advisor stone

(Xadir) Trait Stones: 3
(Balance) Star Steel:
(Me) Belt and Scabbard of Thunderbolt: 2
(Daryus) The Shell of Orkan-Mahru:
(World's) Advisor's Stone:  1

World's:

Trait Stones: 3 Points
Belt and Scabbard of Thunderbolt: 2 Points
Star Steel: 1 Point

(Xadir) Trait Stones: 3 and 3 is 6
(Balance) Star Steel: 1
(Me) Belt and Scabbard of Thunderbolt: 2 and 2 is 4
(Daryus) The Shell of Orkan-Mahru:
(World's) Advisor's Stone:  1

Daryus:

3 - Star Steel
2 - Trait Stones
1 - Belt and Scabard


(Xadir) Trait Stones: 6 and 2 is 8
(Balance) Star Steel: 1 and 3 is 4
(Me) Belt and Scabbard of Thunderbolt: 4 and 1 is 5
(Daryus) The Shell of Orkan-Mahru:
(World's) Advisor's Stone:  1

Xadir:

3: Advisor's Stone
2: Star Steel
1: The Shell of Orkan-Mahru

(Xadir) Trait Stones: 8
(Balance) Star Steel: 4 and 2 is 6
(Me) Belt and Scabbard of Thunderbolt: 5
(Daryus) The Shell of Orkan-Mahru: 1
(World's) Advisor's Stone:  1 and 3 is 4

Me:

I always voted first, because I would see all the votes, and voting first would mean I couldn't manipulate things-- just like everyone else, I wouldn't know how everyone else's votes were going.

(Xadir) Trait Stones: 8
(Balance) Star Steel: 6
(Me) Belt and Scabbard of Thunderbolt: 5
(Daryus) The Shell of Orkan-Mahru: 1
(World's) Advisor's Stone:  4

So if we compare these to my final results:

(Xadir) Trait Stones: 10
(Balance) Star Steel: 6
(Me) Belt and Scabbard of Thunderbolt: 5
(Daryus) The Shell of Orkan-Mahru: 4
(World's) Advisor's Stone: 4

It looks like I must have given 3 to the Shell, 2 to Trait stones...

(Blinks)

Huh. Yeah, one point missing.

...I would have THOUGHT that I would have given 3 to the Trait Stones, 2 to the Shell, and 1 to Star Steel...

Huh.

Anyone better at math than me got any further observations about this?

Other than: I think this proves that if there are any further repetitions of this, that each voting round might need to be tabulated in public after each round? Maybe with aliases for the voters to avoid later retaliation?

That was the right idea.



I just thought it would be obvious that there would be no orcs and no dwarves unless we made them first.

Guess it wasn't as obvious as I thought.



That was me.

Alright. Well, that aside. I believe the thought was after the world got created, we might do something with it?

That or wipe everything and try again?

Anyone got a story idea?

I don't have time to GM, but if one of you were to GM, I might play, depending on the type of system...

Tell you what, if one of you would even CO-GM, I might be willing to set things up for a game...

As for starting over, I'd be good with that too...
This message was last edited by the GM at 01:37, Sun 19 June 2022.

What systems would even work for this world, where you need both new races and classes.

I can understand the relative ease of Races. Classes are a different story entirely.

Maybe the Fate system of you character creation to be a breeze

I could pretty easily work up something PBTA-like-- or easier yet, FATE-like

Yeah, what he said

Oh Gurps!

Alas, for me, GURPS was ruined by a toxic player and a bad campaign my first time with it. I've never felt a desire to give it a second chance.

But in a similar vein, Chaosium's BRPS could also work here as it does not use classes. You could easily use some of its mechanics to represent following certain paths though.

Otherwise, FATE might be interesting though I am somewhat new to that system.

GURPS for me was ruined by my reading a few books and trying to understand it.

I know nothing of Chaosium's BRPS (I may look it up inna minute here.)

FATE still seems like a good bet...

Ugh, no, that's not for me.

I like user-friendly stuff. Still holding out for PBTA, FATE, maybe just CaltropCore.

Or, of course, starting all over.

We could wipe the slate clean and go fantasy again, or do space sci-fi this time...?

Caltropcore?

https://titanomachyrpg.itch.io/caltropcore

Ok I'll be honest. I don't think I'll be good at progression, and never gm'd before. Work gets in the way at times and my worries at others, But I'll be willing to co-Gm.
This message was last edited by the player at 17:36, Sun 19 June 2022.

"Progression?"

How to move from one scene to another, how long any many scenes are needed between each point and so on and so forth.

Ahhh. Well just ask me questions, and I'll answer.

1. Basically when it feels like there's nothing left that's interesting to do in a scene, it's time to move to another. You can ask the players, "Is there anything further you want to do here?"

2. The second part is somewhat up to the players... see how long they want to play things out.

You'll pick it up. Being a GM is the only solution I've found to the RPol problem of GMs who just disappear due to RL problems...

Okay so the next thing to decide is system. I've shown examples of Fate and Caltropcore (although if one has had no exposure to FATE I'd understand if one might need slightly more explanation)... I could also show how an PBTA (like Dungeon World) character might look...

What do you think, Xadir?

I'd be fine with Caltropcore, though i do believe the Stats are a bit too basic for my liking.

It seems a lot less nightmarish then fate at least. god I understood gurps when I first read it, fate is just awful.

Well, MORE stats, perhaps?

Forceful
Agile
Insightful
Charming

?

Or, let's see...

Forceful (STR and CON)
Agile
Intelligence
Wisdom
Charisma

?

Or the good ol' STR/DEX/CON/INT/WIS/CHR?

I like Forceful/Agile/Insightful/Charming myself, but I can flexible about this...

Tell me if i'm an idiot. I am that all the time.

Does it make sense to have chaos and law magic being stats with them being selectively available based on class?

Hapid Gladiators use mild uses of chaos magic, while say Frogs are more prone to law magic. Allowing different sources of power, some might not be able to use it at all, others in mild ways a 1, others are decent or advanced practitioners a 2, or a 3?

I might just be a fool, and missing the point though.

I'm fine with that. I've seen it lately in at least one other game-- "this class has an extra stat"




No I'm fine with it.

So BESIDES the extra stats, how many d'you want at core?

Forceful/Agile/Insightful/Charming

I can try to work with this. Though need to verify.

Forceful would be kicking down the door and taking names
Agile, would be sneaking through the Window, and overhearing their conversations to take those names.
Insightful would be not going there in the first place, bribing the Servants to give me those guys' names.
Charming would be convincing you are on the guest list even though you aren't and having them introduce themselves to you, to learn their names.

Forceful is strength, taking hits, punching hard, yeah.

Agile is sneaking, stealth, ranged combat, yeah.



UH, I think that would be Charming, because it'd be convincing the servants to help you out and tell no one they told you.

Insightful would be spotting important details, keeping watch, finding hidden stuff, figuring things out, remembering stuff ("Wait, I heard an old legend about this once... I think their necks are the least-armored part of them...")




You bet. Persuasion, talking people into stuff
This message was last edited by the GM at 02:29, Mon 20 June 2022.

Ah Ok, so it would be finding out who their Messenger gave invitations through based on their routes, and through that the names.

Ah Ok, so it would be finding out who their Messenger gave invitations through based on their routes, and through that the names.
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Yeah, I think you've got it.

So, any other questions before I go try to start setting something up?

Yeah, I think you've got it.

So, any other questions before I go try to start setting something up?
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No I think I got it.

Okay, well, the other thing I want to make sure of is: will the OTHER three participants be playing? Or not so much?

I'm up for playing this game boss

Well that's 1... need to hear from 2 more people...

Balance. Daryus. Are you gonna play PCs in this world or no?

It's tempting but I don't think I have room for another active system based game right now. I'm in a handful of D&D things both IRl and on RPoL as it is. It takes most my attention. The casual nature of building the world didn't tax it the way I expect a full game would.

Understood.

Yeah, I liked that too. It's why I was able to keep coming back and moving things along as regularly as happened.

So that leaves you, Balance... What do you say?

Alright, let's head into Sci-Fi then. If everyone is cool with that.

What?

I mean, if you want to re-start this experience with sci-fi, I'm fine with that, but I'm hoping to have the game, preferably with Balance.

Balance continues to not reply to the question. I have PMed him.

In the meantime, I will invite the four of you to a new game...

link to another game


SO-- New question-- do the four of you all want to participate in re-starting this experience to make a sci-fi universe?
This message was last edited by the GM at 21:25, Tue 21 June 2022.

Uhm, woah, taking this setting to a whole new level. I thought we established this as more of a fantasy setting than modern or even futuristic, but okay, let's do it.

This world is fantasy they are suggesting Making a new one of these competitions in Sci-Fi.

Ah, so making a new world for sci-fi, understood then let's do that too. I'm on board with that.

Yeah. I'll change POWERFUL BEINGS, I think, UNLESS we want SPACE GODS like in Star Trek (there are so many in Star Trek! Q and his ilk! That guy who was, or thought he was, a Greek God! And on, and on, and on...)

I'll change Magic Thing to Super Science Thing... And so on and so on.

I'll set it up soon... maybe tomorrow if I have time.

Daryus, you up for that?

(I'll do the vote-accounting different this time...)

Powerful Beings can also be Powerful or Influential figures say the a Ceo of a certain company.

Sci-fi thing sounds fun. I think powerful beings works just tinfe as there are plenty of those in the universe. YOu know, a powerful super computer or a galactic president or a messiah or whatnot.

Okay folks, I have hidden all the old stuff and replaced the old rules with a new sci-fi set of rules.

This time, I felt for a sci-fi world, Places should come before Creatures/Plants.

So... any comments before I officially open voting?

I'm afraid I decline to play this time.

While I like S ience fiction as much as fantasy, I'm not sur eto have the time this time.

So, me and 3 other players (unless someone else drops out).

Is this a problem, or do I need to advertise for more players again?

I'm leaning toward not a big problem?? Am I wrong?

Well if we have 4 people than that's fine with me

4 ought to be fine. More would be fine as well.

As to my suggestion above, is there anything we want to say has been established?

Are we building one world? A solar system? What races are already existant? What level of sci-fi are we at? What style?

I really want to avoid making too many unfounded assumptions in creating the world. Are we going to set a hard limit that only what we have established or made canon exists?

1. Okay so should I consider placing an ad or not?

2. Yes, good questions.

--You are not limited to a solar system. I think we should limit ourselves to less than 1/4th of a galaxy, but I'm not limiting to one world or one solar system.

--No sentient species already exist, but like last time, if you say "such-and-such culture exists" and you don't specify species, they'll be human (as happened last time with the Uglolla and the Waveriders).

3. I'm not ordaining style. I'm fine with a mix of styles. Cute Ewoks on one planet, Xenomorphs on another, pulp heroes with jetpacks and ray guns on another. Except not like that, because Ewoks and Xenomorphs have already been invented elsewhere.

4. Level of Sci-Fi, hmm. I'm going to say:

--Interstellar travel is not uncommon. (Whether it's REALLY common or just not uncommon, whether it's fast or slow or in-between, whether some cultures are way better at it than others and horde those secrets, or everyone's equally good at it, is yet to be determined.)

--Robots exist. Whether they're smart enough to count as people is up to you.

--Computers exist. Whether they're smart enough to be sentient AIs is up to you.

--Genetic engineering exists, and it's better than we can do today. Whether it's "super-amazing" or just "impressive" is up to you.

--Force fields exist. Whether they are common or super-expensive to run for even five minutes is up to you.

--Artificial gravity is capable of being generated. Whether that's common or super-costly is up to you.

--Super-medical-science exists. Whether it's common or something that only millionaires can afford is up to you.

What other questions need to be answered?

That all looks great.

If you wanted to get started, four is fine, but if you wanted to advert once more and see what we get, cool. With a system that large, it feels like more people would fill it better.

Okay I will place an ad tomorrow. I have learned that no one pays enough attn if you post one on Sunday...

So, no other questions about anything?!?

Nope, I'm all good with this approach

Hmmmmm. I just posted an ad... but even though I've changed the name of THIS game, the AD still says fantasy in the title, by the old title.

Think it's enough that I explain in the updated ad itself? Or should I make a whole new darn game and move us 4 over to it?

Hmm, we certainly won't get much sci-fi enthusiast on board at the first glance, but who knows, maybe the more fantasy fellas have an invested interest in it...

I think it's enough in my opinion.

Then I'll leave it for a day or two and see if anyone bites at the bait as-is.

Got one new player eager to help make a sci-fi setting: welcome Pavel Paganini.

Pick a portrait, dude...

Thank you for including me.  Eager and willing and weird is me.

I have a question about the rules: in round one, are we allowed to create new places within our own solar system?

...You mean, Future Earth?

I say yes, you may.

(If you don't mean that, what do you mean?)
This message was last edited by the GM at 00:01, Tue 28 June 2022.

The first round, to my mind, is creating any places of interest in the solar system. To my mind, no other interesting places will exist within the setting. BUt I hae a much more restrictive view of world-building.

You are free to do that, or to say what else there is out there. Up to each of you, as you like.

Okay, no further people biting based on the ad seem to be happening. So it looks like Me, Pavel, World's, and Daryus.

Correct?

You guys in, confirmed?

If so, I'll start Round 1 soon...

Confirmed

Roger, Roger

Gonna wait a little more for Daryus' confirmation one way or the other...

Good to go, just out of sync with your time zones.

Okay. I'll officially start us tomorrow. You can all be thinking about places until then...

I don't do Saturdays, can I give you mine today.

Well it's Friday, and we're starting, so:

ROUND ONE:
1 or 2 places (1 or 2 per player).
--Each player will describe a place that exists in the sci-fi world. It can be general (a continent, a desert, an ocean, a moon, a planet) or specific (a city, an outpost, a building, a colony ship).
--DO NOT SUGGEST THINGS THAT ARE EXACTLY LIKE A PLACE THAT ALREADY EXISTS ANYWHERE ELSE.
--Each player may create one or two places. Two places will give you more chances to get votes.
--Top six recipients of votes will become officially canon as existing in the sci-fi world.

SEND YOUR SUBMISSIONS TO ME VIA PRIVATE MESSAGE.

Almost ready to post Round 1 submissions for voting, just got to clear up a couple of points of confusion about one entry first...

Okay, that's cleared up-- I'll post everyone's submissions tomorrow morning. Sorry for the delay.

Okay-- PM me your votes. Give 3 points to 2 entries, 2 points to 2 entries, and 1 vote to 2 entries.

DO NOT vote for your own entries.

So since there's only 4 of us, that's 1 or more points to each entry that isn't your own... But who will get the most? You decide!

One person left to vote...

Okay so here we go, all results in.

SO. Last time we did this, in the fantasy genre, we learned that maybe my math skills are not the best. So, I promised that we'd need to go for maximum transparency this time. So:


Colony Ship Longo Drum (spaceship):
Harvest (planet):
Hong Kong Station (space station/republic):
The Insular Nebula (nebula):
Lilith (planet):
Mahalzhan System (solar system):
Mersta (space station/power plant):
S.S. Belong (spaceship):

My votes:

Colony Ship Longo Drum (spaceship): 3
Harvest (planet):
Hong Kong Station (space station/republic): 1
The Insular Nebula (nebula): 1
Lilith (planet): 3
Mahalzhan System (solar system): 2
Mersta (space station/power plant):
S.S. Belong (spaceship): 2

Pavel's votes:

Insular Nebula   1
SS Belong        1
Lilith           2
Mahalzan System  2
Harvest          3
Mersta           3

New results:

(Pavel) Colony Ship Longo Drum (spaceship): 3
(GM) Harvest (planet): 3
(Pavel) Hong Kong Station (space station/republic): 1
(Daryus) The Insular Nebula (nebula): 2
(World's) Lilith (planet): 5
(Daryus) Mahalzhan System (solar system): 4
(GM) Mersta (space station/power plant): 3
(World's) S.S. Belong (spaceship): 3

(It was at this point I thought to put whose creations were whose)

Daryus' votes:

3 - S.S. Belong
3 - Longo Drum
2 - Harvest
2 - Mersta
1 - Hong Kong Station
1 - Lilith

(Pavel) Colony Ship Longo Drum (spaceship): 6
(GM) Harvest (planet): 5
(Pavel) Hong Kong Station (space station/republic): 2
(Daryus) The Insular Nebula (nebula): 2
(World's) Lilith (planet): 6
(Daryus) Mahalzhan System (solar system): 4
(GM) Mersta (space station/power plant): 5
(World's) S.S. Belong (spaceship): 6

World's votes:

Harvest (planet): 3 Points
The Insular Nebula (nebula): 3 Points
Colony Ship Longo Drum (spaceship): 2 Points
Hong Kong Station (space station/republic): 2 Points
Mahalzhan System (solar system): 1 Point
Mersta (space station/power plant): 1 Point

So:

(Pavel) Colony Ship Longo Drum (spaceship): 8
(GM) Harvest (planet): 8
(World's) Lilith (planet): 6
(GM) Mersta (space station/power plant): 6
(World's) S.S. Belong (spaceship): 6
(Daryus) Mahalzhan System (solar system): 5
(Daryus) The Insular Nebula (nebula): 5
(Pavel) Hong Kong Station (space station/republic): 4

So, top 6 slots get in, I break any ties needed UNLESS they involve me, but this one DOESN'T involve me, SO:

(Pavel) Colony Ship Longo Drum (spaceship): 8
(GM) Harvest (planet): 8
(World's) Lilith (planet): 6
(GM) Mersta (space station/power plant): 6
(World's) S.S. Belong (spaceship): 6
(Daryus) Mahalzhan System (solar system): 5

That's it for Round 1: These 6 places are going to be in canon-- presuming my math checks out.

Does my math appear to check out?

Your maths checks out... just to show

Name   GM  P  D  W  total
CSLD   3   0  3  2  8
L      3   2  1  0  6
MS     2   2  0  1  5
SSB    2   1  3  0  6
HKS    1   0  1  2  4
IN     1   1  0  3  5
H      0   3  2  3  8
M      0   3  2  1  6

GM breaks the tie between Insular Nebula and Mahalzhan System.

Player scores so far:
GM       14
Pavel    12
Daryus   10
World    12

Question:  Would there be less need for tiebreaks if we ordered our choices from 1 to 6 (or as appropriate) in subsequent rounds?
This message was last edited by the player at 14:53, Wed 06 July 2022.

Oh yeah, I should actually probably keep a running tab, that would help at the end, huh. Yoink, saving those last 4 figures.



Um, I don't think so? But I'm not a math whiz? Daryus, World's, would it help?

On second thoughts it wouldn't work unless we'd done it from the start because it would interfere with scores.

Ah. Oh well!

So, everyone ready for Round 2?

Or rather: is anyone NOT ready for Round 2?

Ready

ROUND TWO: Creatures (or plants)

1 creature (or plant) (1 per player).

--Each player will create an animal or plant that does not exist in the real world. It cannot be smarter than, say, a dog, monkey, nor gorilla.

--DO NOT SUGGEST THINGS THAT ARE EXACTLY LIKE A CREATURE/PLANT THAT ALREADY EXISTS ANYWHERE ELSE.

--Top three recipients of votes will become officially canon as existing in the sci-fi world.

PM me your submission (just one per player)...

Okay-- PM me your votes. Give 3 points to 1 entry, 2 points to 1 entry, and 1 vote to 1 entry.

DO NOT vote for your own entries.

So since there's only 4 of us, that's 1 or more points to each entry that isn't your own... But who will get the most? You decide!

Okay, here's what I got:

The Beryl Poppy (plant):
Lilimp (plant-creature):
OORT SPIDERS (creature):
Veins (plant):


My votes:
The Beryl Poppy (plant): 1
Lilimp (plant-creature):
OORT SPIDERS (creature): 2
Veins (plant): 3


Pavel's votes:

1 point   -  Veins
2 points  -  Lilimp
3 points  -  Beryl Poppy


(Daryus) The Beryl Poppy (plant): 4
(GM) Lilimp (plant-creature): 2
(Pavel) OORT SPIDERS (creature): 2
(World's) Veins (plant): 4


World's votes:

The Beryl Poppy (plant): 3 Points
OORT SPIDERS (creature): 2 Points
Lilimp (plant-creature): 1 Points


(Daryus) The Beryl Poppy (plant): 7
(GM) Lilimp (plant-creature): 3
(Pavel) OORT SPIDERS (creature): 4
(World's) Veins (plant): 4

Daryus' votes:

3 - Oort Spiders
2 - Lilimp
1 - Veins


(Daryus) The Beryl Poppy (plant): 7
(GM) Lilimp (plant-creature): 5
(Pavel) OORT SPIDERS (creature): 7
(World's) Veins (plant): 5



So, it comes down to a tie for third place... which DOES involve me, this time, and the rules say: What the heck, we have four winners.


Math check?


Comments? Questions?

Maths is correct.

Running total:
GM              19
Pavel           19
World           17
Daryus          17

If we vote on what's next, my vote is with the GM in PM

My vote agrees with yours.

So someone else tell me: Cultures next, or Powerful Beings?

Feel free to tell me privately if you want.