Like I said before, V is against this right now, but will abide by group decision.
But as we did not have that at the moment, she is continuing on her way.

As the DM said, we now know how to return to the lever room any time we need, so it remains an option if the pathways do not work out.

My apologies. I was just attempting to interject a spot of levity into a difficult challenge.

I liked the quote- both of them!
(But also think poets do not go mad because they start that way.) ;)

In reply to Rusk (msg # 729):

How could it be otherwise, with your camel companions and yourselves separated by a seemingly unbreachable divide?

I do encourage one of you to attempt a rough map of the maze with room numbers and exits.

Live long and prosper?

I'Atreq checks to see if their arms, hanging unobtrusively, are hanging near weapons and if they are, he will unobtrusively hang his arm by his mace.

In reply to Vixl (msg # 733):

His fingers are uniformly spread.

They appear to be unarmed and have no unsightly bulges.

Wait. The elves learned some secrets of Japanese cooking and it enabled them to dispel the mists?

You know it sounds kinda funny when you put it that way.

Hey team!

Re:The "elves"

King of forgetfulness says, "FREAKING SWAT ME AND TELL ME TO USE THE HELM OF TELEPATHY ON THEM!"

You have a helm of telepathy? And you didn't use it? Dohhhh!

In reply to l'Atreq (msg # 739):

life is a series of crushing defeats until you just wish Flanders was dead

Stupid sexy Flanders!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNciqGmyLCs

Unfortunately, I am not sure how we could have told you- they were right there and would have heard the suggestion. (Unless they do not speak elvish, since they did not respond to it, but most of us do.)

Personally I'd question whether they were alive to have thoughts.  Given where we are I assume everything is undead and covered in powerful illusion.  However I think the paladin screened for evil and we heard nothing back about it, though zombies are not evil.

I think there were three, maybe four, Easter eggs on offer in that last room.

Here's a hint:

and you had to make us paranoid! ;-)

One does not mess with the BTS Army.

Huh? What the heck is a BTS Army? Who are the bozos in the picture?

Well, the picture is of NU’EST (not BTS), and they are a K-Pop band, but unfortunately, I know K-dramas more than K-pop.

Tomba- Good thoughts! Some of this might or might not apply, based on the DM though.
The ESP spell specifically excludes all of the undead, but the Helm description does not. So I would think intelligent undead would still have thoughts that could be read, if that was the case. Given the conversation, they seemed intelligent, and their arguments meant it was not simply programming. But that is a DM call- I suppose we will have to experiment to find out if the helm would work on them or not.

Detecting Evil- you are right that zombies are not evil- they are neutral. However, some DMs have skeletons and zombies display a faint evil, since the animation of the dead is not a good act, the undead tie to the negative plane, and their vulnerability to holy water. I have no idea if our DM does so; that would be something we will have to see in play- unless Rusk has had experience in this and already knows the answer? V definitely doesn't.
This message was last edited by the player at 18:45, Sat 13 Apr.

AKA the Newly Established Scions of Tempura

Vixl has found 1 of 3 or 4 eggs.

I stopped listening to 'new' music back in the 90's. I'm OLD I listen to old music.

I agree with you V, and I've also played in a game where the DM judged undead 'thoughts' were just too foreign to be read.

I'm not sure that increasing the helms power past the spells power is practical, given (my assumption) that an ESP spell would be used as part of the process to create a Helm of Telepathy.

I also see animation of the dead as a DM's call in regards to whether it is evil or not.  As an example a good cleric animating deceased enemy to defend women and children from being slaughtered in an attack becomes a grey area, if the clerics god allows the cleric to learn the spell in the first place.  ADND is filled with these moral situations as we know, which is partly why we have a DM to set the rules of their game.

For us, IC it'll be trial and error for the casters as they aren't likely to know until they try.

This need not be academic. Orum could return to the troupe, attempt to read their thoughts, and surely return to report his findings.

True, true, and they might be the way through.  Personally I was looking for a fight because I don't like leaving creatures that aren't friendly behind, but Tomba isn't front line staff so he's not going to be facing the brunt of it.