evileeyore
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Wed 8 Dec 2021
at 22:19
Language feature:  "Known Word"
This just popped up today in one the games I'm in that uses the Language Groups feature, one of the words in a language my Character speaks (so the whole posts is intelligible to me) was under dotted underlines and mouse-over text said "Known Word".  Is this a new or old) feature of the Language Groups?

Or is Chrome (my browser) doing weird things?

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SunRuanEr
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Wed 8 Dec 2021
at 23:35
Language feature:  "Known Word"
That's...definitely not something I've ever seen before. o.O
Chernobyl
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Thu 9 Dec 2021
at 01:36
Language feature:  "Known Word"
I honestly thought it was something like grammarly with a word that had to be manually added to a "known word" pool.
evileeyore
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Thu 9 Dec 2021
at 02:24
Language feature:  "Known Word"
Chernobyl:
I honestly thought it was something like grammarly with a word that had to be manually added to a "known word" pool.

I don't run anything like that.  I have few scripting addons for Chrome that stop scripts and adds from running, but nothing like Grammarly.

Huh,  Hang on... [10 seconds later] ... okay, I do have the Chrome Offline docs editor... let me turn that off, reload Chrome and see what happens.  In fact, I'll turn off everything back down to base Chrome (shudder) and see what's what.
evileeyore
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Thu 9 Dec 2021
at 02:32
Language feature:  "Known Word"
evileeyore:
In fact, I'll turn off everything back down to base Chrome (shudder) and see what's what.

Stripped to base Chrome, it was unchanged.  Same thing in Firefox.
Skald
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Thu 9 Dec 2021
at 12:45
Language feature:  "Known Word"
I think you'll find that's not a Chrome issue ... you're probably looking at one of the private to language group syntax features.

There are two instances where the language won't get garbled, which equates to known word:

  1. the word is the name of a PC (you'd be expected to recognise the name 'Marvin the Magnficient' in a sentence even if you didn't have a clue what the rest of it was about)
  2. the word is enclosed in curly brackets to force it to show as typed eg {Tanelorn} (allowing the GM to override the scrambling for any other word, most commonly NPC names, city names etc)


One side-effect is that if a player has a name such as Marvin the Magnificent (Kermit the Frog, Attila the Hun etc) with a 'the' in there, any instance of 'the' won't be garbled.
evileeyore
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Thu 9 Dec 2021
at 16:03
Language feature:  "Known Word"
Skald:
I think you'll find that's not a Chrome issue ... you're probably looking at one of the private to language group syntax features.

There are two instances where the language won't get garbled, which equates to known word:

  1. the word is the name of a PC (you'd be expected to recognise the name 'Marvin the Magnficient' in a sentence even if you didn't have a clue what the rest of it was about)
  2. the word is enclosed in curly brackets to force it to show as typed eg {Tanelorn} (allowing the GM to override the scrambling for any other word, most commonly NPC names, city names etc)


One side-effect is that if a player has a name such as Marvin the Magnificent (Kermit the Frog, Attila the Hun etc) with a 'the' in there, any instance of 'the' won't be garbled.

That is exactly what is happening.  Okay, that explains it, we have a "character" (NPC group mostly) that has Spearhead in it's name.

Are there more rules to using Languages?  And where is that bit about shifted brackets?  None of that is in the FAQ, Help pages, or on the GM screen explaining how Language Groups work.

'Cause I've been doing the hard formatting when I could have just used curly brackets...
gorchek
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Thu 9 Dec 2021
at 16:52
Language feature:  "Known Word"
It's in the "RuBB Code Tips & Tricks" section, "Private Lines to Group (Language Group)" subsection, in the "Special Syntax" entry.

And the only reason I found that, is because someone quoted it somewhere else in the forum and Google was able to find it.
evileeyore
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Thu 9 Dec 2021
at 17:30
Language feature:  "Known Word"
gorchek:
It's in the "RuBB Code Tips & Tricks" section, "Private Lines to Group (Language Group)" subsection, in the "Special Syntax" entry.

And the only reason I found that, is because someone quoted it somewhere else in the forum and Google was able to find it.

Ah... it's not in that section on the Responsive Site.  *sigh*  And even the non-Responsive FAQ doesn't mention the Known Word function.

Thanks for the pointer.

I wonder if this section or feature is getting a change so it was removed from the FAQ?
Skald
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Fri 10 Dec 2021
at 05:18
Language feature:  "Known Word"
Oddly enough, I can't get it to display the 'Known Word' message on mouse hover on the old non-Responsive site, but I can on Responsive ...

evileeyore - can you check for me on the old non-Responsive site and see if it'll show 'Known Word' for you or not ?  Want to confirm it doesn't show for you either.

I'm guessing 1) that 'Known Word' message is a tweak jase did for the Responsive update, and 2) that the FAQ page for Private Lines on the Responsive site predates the last update to that FAQ on the old non-Responsive site ... but I can fix that, once we confirm the 'Known Word' issue.  :>
evileeyore
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Fri 10 Dec 2021
at 05:52
Language feature:  "Known Word"
Skald:
evileeyore - can you check for me on the old non-Responsive site and see if it'll show 'Known Word' for you or not ?  Want to confirm it doesn't show for you either.

The word is underlined, just as it is on Responsive, but "Private Message" is the mouseover text.

On Responsive, the rest of the Language Group message displays "Private Message", except for the underlined word, which displays "Known Word".

Curly brackets work identically to the "Known Word" feature on both versions of the site (that is, underlined on both sites, but only listed as a "Known Word" on Responsive, "Private Message" on non-Responsive), and you might want to mention in the FAQ you can only curly bracket one word at a time, trying to bracket two words fails.

quote:
I'm guessing 1) that 'Known Word' message is a tweak jase did for the Responsive update, and 2) that the FAQ page for Private Lines on the Responsive site predates the last update to that FAQ on the old non-Responsive site ... but I can fix that, once we confirm the 'Known Word' issue.  :>

/thumbsup.jpg


We might want to talk him into tweaking it back...  because the word for "bob" in Russian ('bob' one's head, 'bob' up and down, etc) is radically different than "Bob" the name.  Or at least refining it to only capitalized words.

(My preference is to remove it, it's not hard to use curly brackets around proper nouns after all.)

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Skald
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Fri 10 Dec 2021
at 06:24
Language feature:  "Known Word"
I think the only tweak was to identify the underlined text as 'Known Word' on mouse hover, instead of the generic 'Private Message' - the functionality shouldn't otherwise have changed.

Thanks for the tip about it being one word at a time !  That I did not know, though I have subsequently found it in an explanatory note jase posted way back when.  :>

And I know what you mean about the name "Bob" not being the same as the verb "to bob", but that's an endemic issue with languages generally - you'd have a similar problem with the French we go = "nous allons" which might cause a character called Alan to worry a lot if he heard that as "noose Alan" !  <grins>   But that's a discussion for another time and place (any changes to functionality would need to be proposed in the RPoL Development forum).
Skald
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Fri 10 Dec 2021
at 06:44
Language feature:  "Known Word"
Hokay ... the Private Lines FAQ should now be fixed on both Responsive and old non-Responsive sites.  :>